Comments Thread For: Joe Joyce's Manager: Usyk, His Team Did Everything Humanly Possible To Avoid The Fight

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The guy doesn’t have a business sense. I think suffering that KO loss against Povetkin actually gave him that business sense that’s needed. At the time too he could have beaten AJ, sure you have to rematch him but you would still have made loads of money, instead you nearly got taken out in the 9th round by Rivas, and eventually lost to Pov. And still has never fought for a title at HW.

That’s why it’s a good idea and almost necessity to have a manager not be self managed .

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When the fight was mandated it was an appeasement for Usyk in order for the undisputed fight to happen and on the proviso that, that fight was done. Therefore Joyce was only ever a plan B scenario. You said Usyk chose Chisora when he could have fought Joyce, but Joyce was earmarked for Dubois. Let's not forget it was Dubois that had the no 2 slot then not Joe as he was further down the ranking, not even in the top 5 in fact. So back then Usyk was never an issue for Joyce as he was heading for an in-house fight. They all do in-house mate, we know how they play the game even if we don't agree with it. Sam's comments about Usyk not wanting to know are surrounding their supposed interim title fight. But why is Usyk gonna commit to that when the undisputed fight wasn't done. You wait to see if it falls through, which it did, then your gonna go for the golden ticket, not the backup plan. I like Sam but this is just him trying to raise Joe's profile. And I'm a fan of JJ also.

Deductive reasoning... well done. Generally speaking, as you intimate, at the time when Usyk fought Chisora, and Dubois fought Joyce, there was no talk of Usyk fighting Joyce. The relevant issues were: Dubois, if he could come up a notch against Joyce... and if Usyk could fight at heavyweight. Chisora was a safe opponent... i.e. no rational decision maker would look at the amateur fight with Joyce and Usyk as proof of anything.

Regarding Usyk waiting: Its important to understand that while deluded individuals poo poo'ed the arbitration as impossible, and while the media selectively ignored it, professional decision makers considered the possibility that the Wilder fight would have to happen first. Given that scenario, why should Usyk have committed to anything else?

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usyk already beat him, why would he fight him again when AJ carries more prestige, a title and more money

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Oh I was just making a joke. Whyte is the only person in the world I could think of who turned down a shot at 3 belts to go fight Oscar Rivas, who barely anyone outside of Canada had ever fking heard of.


And somehow people defended it

Lol. Actually its more amusing yet... For years when Whyte was willing to fight all, and was avoided, people would disparage him constantly. Worse than the hate for Ortiz... Saying that Whyte was a decent fighter with good use of angles, nice combos, was akin to saying Roy Jones was a floozy!! I remember times when Juggernaught and I seemed to be the only people giving him props. Suddenly for whatever reason Whyte is the toast of the town lol. Now... my opinion of him has not changed, I always liked him as a kind of Antonio Tarver type for the heavyweight division... a solid guy with some skills and a hard worker who could catch you if you did not take him seriously.

But its like when he beat the Zombi version of Povatkin and then asked for an easy fight... Its like people have no sense of humor lol.

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When the fight was mandated it was an appeasement for Usyk in order for the undisputed fight to happen and on the proviso that, that fight was done. Therefore Joyce was only ever a plan B scenario. You said Usyk chose Chisora when he could have fought Joyce, but Joyce was earmarked for Dubois. Let's not forget it was Dubois that had the no 2 slot then not Joe as he was further down the ranking, not even in the top 5 in fact. So back then Usyk was never an issue for Joyce as he was heading for an in-house fight. They all do in-house mate, we know how they play the game even if we don't agree with it. Sam's comments about Usyk not wanting to know are surrounding their supposed interim title fight. But why is Usyk gonna commit to that when the undisputed fight wasn't done. You wait to see if it falls through, which it did, then your gonna go for the golden ticket, not the backup plan. I like Sam but this is just him trying to raise Joe's profile. And I'm a fan of JJ also.

Yes but the article is talking about during negotiations of not making the fight if AJ had fought Fury . Of course Usyk vs Joyce doesn’t happen if AJ doesn’t fight Fury ,that wasn’t in question . Even when the Undisputed was announced and apparently signed on Usyk still went for Chisora not the mandatory fight issued to him is what I’m saying . In that instance Jones is right.

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Oh I was just making a joke. Whyte is the only person in the world I could think of who turned down a shot at 3 belts to go fight Oscar Rivas, who barely anyone outside of Canada had ever fking heard of.


And somehow people defended it

Rivas was a mandatory fight for a shot at Wilder . Somehow you keep wanting to forget that fact .

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Usyk vs Joyce is a 50/50 fight at least until Or Joshua stops him .

Usyk has nothing really to trouble a fast counter puncher like AJ ,it’s an easy fight for AJ stylistically. Joshuas not going to tire out with the weight he’s coming in and Usyk doesn’t have power nor size to slow or take energy out of him .

Joyce vs Usyk wasn’t an amateur fight it was a 5 rounder with pro gloves .

Joyce has gotten some experience, I don't care if it was ammy, a five round fight years ago, a bar fight... Usyk has to show what adjustments he has made since Chisora. Without that information how could anyone have an opinion on this fight? It is obvious that Usyk learned a hard lesson fighting Chisora, now we have to see how he changes.

Your information regarding Joshua is creative... Usyk is difficult to counter at best, he changes speeds, changes punches constantly, uses a non- committal jab... what is there to counter? AJ has stamina issues in fights later in... yet you are saying he won't tire... Lol.

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Joyce has gotten some experience, I don't care if it was ammy, a five round fight years ago, a bar fight... Usyk has to show what adjustments he has made since Chisora. Without that information how could anyone have an opinion on this fight? It is obvious that Usyk learned a hard lesson fighting Chisora, now we have to see how he changes.

Your information regarding Joshua is creative... Usyk is difficult to counter at best, he changes speeds, changes punches constantly, uses a non- committal jab... what is there to counter? AJ has stamina issues in fights later in... yet you are saying he won't tire... Lol.

What fights has AJ showed stamina issues Ruiz 1 ? All your doing is making a general statement by what others post on here . Usyk isn’t that difficult to counter when being pressed ,we’re going to see a huge 82 inch reach tag him up ,you’ll see .how quickly you made the wrong pick there within the first 3 rounds and you will be hoping Usyk actually makes it to later rounds which is also doubtful.

AJ has had been in 10 title fights ,8 going past the 6th round ,he also went the distance twice and had championship rounds as well ,there’s literally no indication he suffers from any stamina issues ,if that’s what you were basing your pick on .

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I have no qualms with Usyk making an obviously superior choice... But I would not use an amateur fight years back, to determine how a fight between Joyce and Usyk would play out. That is pure folly. Given Usyk's style Joyce is a really bad match up for him. Joshua is a much easier fight for Usyk. If one looks at tape of Usyk he does a lot of things and they all revolve around his ability to have some way to be physical with his opponents. He can tire Joshua out and do this in the later rounds... Joyce does not tire.

I agree with u about usyk making that choice, anyone would in his position, but I would be very surprised if the first five rounds of there pro bout didn't look very similar to there amateur bout, maybe the only difference being Joyce would probably catch usyk a bit more than he did due to his improvement over the years and usyk new build making him slightly less mobile

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What fights has AJ showed stamina issues Ruiz 1 ? All your doing is making a general statement by what others post on here . Usyk isn’t that difficult to counter when being pressed ,we’re going to see a huge 82 inch reach tag him up ,you’ll see .how quickly you made the wrong pick there within the first 3 rounds and you will be hoping Usyk actually makes it to later rounds which is also doubtful.

AJ has had been in 10 title fights ,8 going past the 6th round ,he also went the distance twice and had championship rounds as well ,there’s literally no indication he suffers from any stamina issues ,if that’s what you were basing your pick on .

AJ slows down later in fights. its been a pattern. And yes in Ruiz 1. You don't generally "counter" as the person doing the pressing, and since when would Usyk be pressing AJ? Have you ever gotten in a boxing ring? Just curious.

Going the distance is not a measure of a fighter's stamina. Measures would include amount of punches thrown, declining in later rounds, fighter being less active in general etc. Watch AJ's fights... Decide for yourself.

I know your just dying' to get It right once lol. Listen AJ could beat Usyk if Usyk does not make the right adjustments, or, if AJ is really that guy who can turn away the talented challenger coming up to the heavyweight division... If AJ shows he can handle Usyk, more power to him, I will admit I was wrong. I don't think its going that way though, having seen how Usyk is preparing.