At what point does beating Pacquiao no longer count because he's old?

[The Big Dunn]

Beating Pac is a big deal but there's levels to how much credit you get. Morales beating Pac was a great win. Jmm beating Pac was a great win but he needed 4 attempts. And if you beat past prime former flyweight who you are much naturally bigger than like horn did. Then Rob pac in a fight like Bradley/horn/Floyd did, who also had home advantage and IVs then it's hard to give much credit.
Each case is taken on its own merit. But great fighters lose..Does Randy turpin deserve gold medal or something for beating SRR, or should we praise S R r for what he did? SRR is only a great win for someone because of what SRR has done to make himself worthy of being considered a great win for someone, so essentially did all the hard work. Sorry for being this deep. I know you prefer thinking black and white. Not saying I'm deep or anything

So your now cherry-picking Which wins are good and bad solely to try and elevate manny.

We agree great fighters lose. But we use losses in part to separate the great ones. Some losses are understandable. Some are bad. You try to make each loss equal and no big deal. Doesn’t work like that.

Using SRR is just dumb. He lost to Turpin, a hofer, when he was 128–1-2. That isn’t the same as losing to joe horn.

[Scopedog]

Nobody ever gets credit for beating Manny Pacquiao bro! Ever!

Marquez flatlined the dude and still don’t get credit “Lacky Panch”

This pretty much, Pacquiao fans will always come up with some excuse, accuse the opposition of cheating somehow or in the case it was a decision claim that the opponent never beat him at all.

[MeanestNiceGuy]

Sadly, he and his team are so inept and desperate for money that they'll keep looking for one more big payday. I mean, the man's an 8-division champion....why was the public (even some media outlets) were banking on him upsetting Spence so he could considered an ATG. So sad.

Since when does an 8-division champion still have to prove himself to be an ATG....unless they aren't truly confident in that. Floyd is what, a 5-division champion who "cherry picked" opponents on the back half of his career, let them tell it.

Manny's fought every-damn-body, We get it. Thing is, he shouldn't be fighting any-damn-body at the age of 42 and they were dead wrong for even taking that Spence fight. Again, what was Manny trying to prove? Again, nobody's asking Manny to be great at this point, just take a couple of easy fights and move on with life, man.

I mean....nobody's afraid of Spence, so why was Manny's team so hard-up to prove Manny could "get the job done?" He already fought Porter and Danny....the rest of the Welterweights were gonna face him eventually. It's not like Spence couldn't get a fight at all.

[GypsyTRAIN]

Every other loss for Manny wasn’t when he was 42.

So lets go over Mannys losses:

Horn - fake loss
Bradley - fake loss
JMM 4 - real, legitimate loss
Ugas - 10 days notice at 42 years of age
Morales - real, legitimate loss (Manny won the series tho for what its worth)
Singsurat and Torrecampo - Manny was a novice/kid
Floyd - technically a loss but upon rewatch looks more like a draw

So I've got 2-4 real losses (JMM and Morales - technically also Ugas and Floyd but both those have their own asterisks tbh)

Before you say, "Oh well Manny being 47 against Ugas doesnt matter!" please remember your friend Deontay twerk twerk Wilder.

You joke shills parade around him because his best wins are over a 52 year old Ortiz. A true joke and hypocrisy at his finest

[The Big Dunn]

So lets go over Mannys losses:

Horn - fake loss
Bradley - fake loss
JMM 4 - real, legitimate loss
Ugas - 10 days notice at 42 years of age
Morales - real, legitimate loss (Manny won the series tho for what its worth)
Singsurat and Torrecampo - Manny was a novice/kid
Floyd - technically a loss but upon rewatch looks more like a draw

So I've got 2-4 real losses (JMM and Morales - technically also Ugas and Floyd but both those have their own asterisks tbh)

Before you say, "Oh well Manny being 47 against Ugas doesnt matter!" please remember your friend Deontay twerk twerk Wilder.

You joke shills parade around him because his best wins are over a 52 year old Ortiz. A true joke and hypocrisy at his finest

See your doing what I just talked abo it. He lost. Stop making excuses for him.

His loss to horn was legit. His loss to Floyd was legit.

He beat Ledbawa on short notice so you can’t use that as an excuse for ugas.

He arguably lost all 4 to jmm.

[Left Hook Tua]

Being old isn't an excuse. Ugas was 35, that's the same age Pac was when his fans were claiming he was washed up. So Pac lost to another to a fighter who was also washed. It balances out. And yes it does hurt his resume. He's lost to mediocre fighters in Horn and Ugas now.

Dumb boxing newb

Ppl age differently, boxers careers take different paths

ugas 35 with 20+ fights
Pac 42 with 70+ fights

[GypsyTRAIN]

See your doing what I just talked abo it. He lost. Stop making excuses for him.

His loss to horn was legit. His loss to Floyd was legit.

He beat Ledbawa on short notice so you can’t use that as an excuse for ugas.

He arguably lost all 4 to jmm.

You say Pac legit lost to Horn and in the same sentence say Floyd didnt lose to JLC or Maidana 1.

Stop it boy

[miacoke]

You say Pac legit lost to Horn and in the same sentence say Floyd didnt lose to JLC or Maidana 1.

Stop it boy

He clearly beat Maidana twice, his only real controversial loss is JLC who he beat in a rematch. All of Floyd's "close" fights aren't close at all (ODLH, Maidana, Manny). Not sure why you would even try to spin losses when that's one category that Floyd has Manny beat.

[GypsyTRAIN]

He clearly beat Maidana twice, his only real controversial loss is JLC who he beat in a rematch. All of Floyd's "close" fights aren't close at all (ODLH, Maidana, Manny). Not sure why you would even try to spin losses when that's one category that Floyd has Manny beat.

Floyds fight with Manny was close. Maybe 7-5 at best

Floyd lost JLC 1

Floyd either won 7-5 DLH or 6-6

[The Big Dunn]

You say Pac legit lost to Horn and in the same sentence say Floyd didnt lose to JLC or Maidana 1.

Stop it boy

No he didn’t. He beat both close and then rematched both and won clearly.

not getting blown out like canelo or manny doesn’t mean you win.