There is absolutely nothing special about Devin Haney.

[Marchegiano]

Lol it’s boxing bro they’re cutting weight you know that right?

yea for me around 12-14 I was around that weight but what’s the point? These lower weight guys are 100 times for skill than the hw fat ****s we have today.

you sound like some fat ass overweight slob. And funny thing is HW have suck ass for over two decades now lol that’s a fact the last time a Hw was the main star of the sport was ****in 30 yrs ago lol

I am Puerto Rican and Irish... and on TV:

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If anything, I'm like Loma sized but kinda fat. Fat for a fighter.

I'm just not impressed. It's easy to be fast when you're the size of a twelve year old. I know because I am. My speed and reflexes mean **** all to me, I'm meant to be a fast little ****. Leprechaun and Hobbits and Goblins and **** are based us small dudes. We're fast like lightning my man, but yeah, that's all. Fast, got reflexes, be hard for a big guy to out hit and don't be hit with me. In sparring you take away your best advantage because HW jabs might be long as ****, but, also they come in slow motion so really the only thing to make me pause is if I'm wrong it's gonna move my whole ****ing body let alone a snap that pounds your entire dome and if you hold that back, ****, I got nothing to stop me from dancing a jig around you. Especially if you're working endurance. Let me get a biggun who is improving their gas tank and not trying to hurt me, I'll give him a **** load of rounds, like all GD day tbh...which is not impressive because I'm small and that's just a quality of being small.

I'd be just as impressed by a me-sized ****er who hits like a HW as I would a HW who moves like a me sized ****er.

That said, imo, 168-220 is about the best humans in boxing and if there was no divisions it'd be them who own the sport....you know, like they used to, before divisions.

[billeau2]

Tyson
Benitez
Sal Sanchez
Cuevas
Canelo
Duran
JCC
Ray
Hearns
Roy
Ali
Mayweather
Even Broner.

There are f***ing loads who by 22 we knew had special talent.

You say “come as far as Haney has”, who’s he beat? His only respectable win is a past prime Linares.

Yeah he’s young and he potentially could get better but based on what we’ve seen so far there is nothing special about him and that’s the point I’m trying to make in this thread.

So your going through boxing from the time of Sanchez, having to even go to Ali... mentioning fighters who never achieved much like Bronner... in order to get twenty names out of countless fighters. and Ill assume everyone on your list was a known prodigy by Hanes age, though I doubt it. But Assuming so, thats a pretty small list. And talent is debatable. For example, Haney has a very good jab and poise, but this isn't "talent" to you. Hearns never had the chin of someone like Hagler, but we look at how he developed.

Its subjective until we see how a fighter uses it to develop. It can be argued that Tyson, Broner never even developed to what they could have been. What it amounts to is people want Haney to have power, and to fight flawlessly (nobody on your list did)... only ray robinson ever fought flawlessly! (half kidding). My point is, when you see a young fighter with such poise, and already mastering at least some of the fundamentals, he has a lot of talent... its no guarantee but its a nice starting point. On your list I doubt people saw these guys very young and automatically classified them as extremely talented. Ali is a primary example BTW.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

So your going through boxing from the time of Sanchez, having to even go to Ali... mentioning fighters who never achieved much like Bronner... in order to get twenty names out of countless fighters. and Ill assume everyone on your list was a known prodigy by Hanes age, though I doubt it. But Assuming so, thats a pretty small list. And talent is debatable. For example, Haney has a very good jab and poise, but this isn't "talent" to you. Hearns never had the chin of someone like Hagler, but we look at how he developed.

Its subjective until we see how a fighter uses it to develop. It can be argued that Tyson, Broner never even developed to what they could have been. What it amounts to is people want Haney to have power, and to fight flawlessly (nobody on your list did)... only ray robinson ever fought flawlessly! (half kidding). My point is, when you see a young fighter with such poise, and already mastering at least some of the fundamentals, he has a lot of talent... its no guarantee but its a nice starting point. On your list I doubt people saw these guys very young and automatically classified them as extremely talented. Ali is a primary example BTW.

Nah they were just the first names that came to mind they all showed special talent at the age of 22 which proves you can judge whether a fighter will be special or not at 22, which is contrary to what you said. Admittedly we sometimes get it wrong but it in Haney’s case there is nothing to suggest he was special to begin with.

As I said he isn’t a bad fighter, good jab like you mentioned but there’s nothing special about him. Kubrat Pulev also has a good jab for example. That was the point of this thread- I’m not saying Haney isn’t a talented fighter, I’m saying he’s not specially talented like Floyd Mayweather who he is regularly compared to. He’s not even anywhere near as talented as fighters within his era like Teofimo Lopez.

By 22 Ali had defeated Liston and was the biggest star in the sport. You’d have be blind to not view him as extremely talented by that point. He also had lightning hand speed and moved far better than any HW we’d ever seen. It’s was beyond obvious the guy was supremely talented. Haney hasn’t shown anything special like that.

[QueensburyRules]

- -Special sissy with a fat hissy daddy...

[FinlandsFinest]

Tank is the best fighter in 135 but sadly his handlers are too shook to let him fight anyone it seems.

[billeau2]

Nah they were just the first names that came to mind they all showed special talent at the age of 22 which proves you can judge whether a fighter will be special or not at 22, which is contrary to what you said. Admittedly we sometimes get it wrong but it in Haney’s case there is nothing to suggest he was special to begin with.

As I said he isn’t a bad fighter, good jab like you mentioned but there’s nothing special about him. Kubrat Pulev also has a good jab for example. That was the point of this thread- I’m not saying Haney isn’t a talented fighter, I’m saying he’s not specially talented like Floyd Mayweather who he is regularly compared to. He’s not even anywhere near as talented as fighters within his era like Teofimo Lopez.

By 22 Ali had defeated Liston and was the biggest star in the sport. You’d have be blind to not view him as extremely talented by that point. He also had lightning hand speed and moved far better than any HW we’d ever seen. It’s was beyond obvious the guy was supremely talented. Haney hasn’t shown anything special like that.

What is objective about "special talent?" What concrete standard exists? Ali was regarded with whimsy... You can't prove something from nothing. Most of what you call "special talent" is 20/20 hindsight. You mention Lopez, who I think is also talented... But Lopez is a bigger kid and will very quickly have to contend with whether his power will carry... I don't think Ali was under 22 when he defeated Liston... Is that true? If you know this to be I will take your word for it...

And your talking about a fighter who is an ATG among ATG's! You don't need Lopez to show what Ali did to call him talented do you? Im going to ask you a question and then answer it,you can answer it as well if you like: "What is it that makes Lopez special compared to Haney?" "Nothing in particular, Lopez has more power which might well change as both kids grow, and there is no specific thing that determines such that Lopez, or Tank, for that matter posseses."

Im also going to say I used to think power was the thang in the lighter divisions... Then two things taught me the error of my ways: Juan Ma, who I thought looked like a pint size Joe Louis (I know I know....) and Broner... Both guys started with a huge and special advsntage for the light weights: POWER. And one man died with it in his cold dead hand (figuratively speaking) when he could not accept that someone could out slug him (Juan Ma), the other showed that power does not carry up absolutely, or even relatively. Both Juan Ma and Broner actually had real talent, I would argue BTW.

[Jblack79]

I’ve said this for a while too, I think after his performances vs Gamboa and Linares people are now starting to agree.

At least the 135 version of AB actually looked impressive whilst people were hyping him up as the future of the sport.

There’s no way in hell this kid could hang with Teofimo or Tank. Even Ryan Garcia walks through him IMO.

It's a shame that the other fighters in the division don't feel the same way you do. If they did they probably wouldn't just run their mouth and find reason not to fight for the WBC strap, and they would actually get in the ring with him.

[billeau2]

I am Puerto Rican and Irish... and on TV:

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If anything, I'm like Loma sized but kinda fat. Fat for a fighter.

I'm just not impressed. It's easy to be fast when you're the size of a twelve year old. I know because I am. My speed and reflexes mean **** all to me, I'm meant to be a fast little ****. Leprechaun and Hobbits and Goblins and **** are based us small dudes. We're fast like lightning my man, but yeah, that's all. Fast, got reflexes, be hard for a big guy to out hit and don't be hit with me. In sparring you take away your best advantage because HW jabs might be long as ****, but, also they come in slow motion so really the only thing to make me pause is if I'm wrong it's gonna move my whole ****ing body let alone a snap that pounds your entire dome and if you hold that back, ****, I got nothing to stop me from dancing a jig around you. Especially if you're working endurance. Let me get a biggun who is improving their gas tank and not trying to hurt me, I'll give him a **** load of rounds, like all GD day tbh...which is not impressive because I'm small and that's just a quality of being small.

I'd be just as impressed by a me-sized ****er who hits like a HW as I would a HW who moves like a me sized ****er.

That said, imo, 168-220 is about the best humans in boxing and if there was no divisions it'd be them who own the sport....you know, like they used to, before divisions.

Truer words never spoken. You see it as a bouncer as well.

[billeau2]

Nah they were just the first names that came to mind they all showed special talent at the age of 22 which proves you can judge whether a fighter will be special or not at 22, which is contrary to what you said. Admittedly we sometimes get it wrong but it in Haney’s case there is nothing to suggest he was special to begin with.

As I said he isn’t a bad fighter, good jab like you mentioned but there’s nothing special about him. Kubrat Pulev also has a good jab for example. That was the point of this thread- I’m not saying Haney isn’t a talented fighter, I’m saying he’s not specially talented like Floyd Mayweather who he is regularly compared to. He’s not even anywhere near as talented as fighters within his era like Teofimo Lopez.

By 22 Ali had defeated Liston and was the biggest star in the sport. You’d have be blind to not view him as extremely talented by that point. He also had lightning hand speed and moved far better than any HW we’d ever seen. It’s was beyond obvious the guy was supremely talented. Haney hasn’t shown anything special like that.

I just looked again at Ali. Lets use Ali as an example of "talent." since his greatness is a yardstick in the sport. First off, yes, you were correct that he was 22 whenhe fought Liston. prior to that fight if you look at his record, he fought some decent fighters (Jones, etc) he fought a cagey veteran that was well past it (Archie Moore) then he fought Liston. Ali at the time prior to the Liston fight was considered a strange kettle of fish to most boxing pundits...They certainly didn't think he had the talent to beat liston. He had no power, was fundamentally unsound, but had incredible speed. Without the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, if you had a fighter who already had a great jab, had also beat a few veteran fighters, and great fundamentals... but lacked power to an extent... Who would you think was the more "talented' fighter? Keep in mind that Ali supposedly "had a bad chin" because Cooper shook him. Prior to the Liston fight, who would you have bet the house on? with respect who would have a greater career...Haney or Ali?

My point here, is that young fighters all have a certain base amount of talent coming into the sport. And what we look for is not necessarily what projects because most fighters, talented, and untalented, never go very far as a professional. Marciano for example, a man with two left feet, short, no reach, no technique... but boy could he punch... though not with one punch power... and he had a great engine. Most people would have laughed at marciano... Yet where many talented fighters came and went, marciano became a legend. Right?

[billeau2]

It's a shame that the other fighters in the division don't feel the same way you do. If they did they probably wouldn't just run their mouth and find reason not to fight for the WBC strap, and they would actually get in the ring with him.

Thats a great post because it deals with a reality. These young fighters are all probably chomping at the bit... But, until we learn from the Paul Brothers about how to manage a career... These fighters have these things called "promoters" who are angels, or devils, depending on whom one speaks to lol... Yet all these promoters have one thing in common: They do not want their fighter to lose out on making the most money. So these promoters decide when a reasonable amount of risk would dictate a fight with a rival. It seems to me, if Haney had some weakness to easily exploit, one of the promoters for a fellow rising star would take haney out faster than a new york minute.

One must listen to what these promoters do, and not what they say...