Pacquiao-Cotto: WBO Title, WBC Diamond Belt at Stake

[GRUSTLER]

I'm more or less an observer, I dont comment that much. Frankly, the way you are acting is really not a surprise ... based from your posts ... you hate manny (or prolly his team) more that you lean towards cotto.

Just a keen observation man. Sometimes you have to put yourself in the fighter's shoes to view things differently. And yea, ignore the pac nuthuggers who think pac is invincible.

Why can't a fan and observer just say what he feels about
what's going on without being called a hater or saying that
I hate Pac/Cotto? I don't hate neither fighter I just call it
how I see it. Regardless of what, I've been giving Cotto
more of a chance in this fight then most people other than
Cotto fans and I'm not even a fan of Cotto but I know he has
enough to beat Manny if he fights smart and comes in with
a plan/strategy. Look what Pac/Arum/Roach and team Pac
have been doing with this Cotto fight so far? Now we have
a Diamond belt in the mix? Pacman is a very good fighter
but the way things are going I just see more drama being
introduced especially if Pacquiao beats Cotto. With all of
his drama and S#!t talking, Floyd never made fights and
negotiations this difficult but he gets crucified and Manny
is getting pass after pass for what is going on. It's like
Arum is working more for Pac than Cotto.

[jetgeomcx]

Sorry Jetgeomcx but you are wrong,

As per section 20 of the WBO rules, if a title is declared vacate it can only be won in a bout between the #1 and # 2 classified contender which is at this moment Pacquiao #1 and Clottey #2.

True that the WBO can put the title on the line for Pacquiao but not against Cotto it will have to be against the #2 classified fighter because Cotto will be the one vacating the title.

That's why i said that it will be in Cotto's decision, whether he vacates or not, if the title will or will not be on the line in this fight..

This is obviously if the WBO ****** President don't try to bend or change his own rules again.!!!!

Heres the link and scroll down to section 20 "PROCEDURE WHEN A TITLE IS DECLARED VACANT"
http://www.wbo-int.com/revised/WBO_R...egulations.pdf

that ruling on wbo charter is correct.
but your interpretation is flawed.
true that #1 and #2 ranked boxers will contest the vacant tilte.
but then....cotto is still fyting only he doesn't want to put the belt on the line...and/or he is vacating.
wbo already stated that the belt will be on the line since the ex-champ(stripped voluntarily) is fyting the #1 contender.

but to everybody's dismay...wbo made manny #1 contender for the title!!
to this i don't buy!!
it was pure and simple "money decision"... accomodation for the p4p king, who's only fyt at welter is against oscar....to the great disadvantage of those welters down the line.

my piece....
manny should fyt cotto at 147 max limit for the ww belt.
enough said from me.....

[GRUSTLER]

I am actually rooting for Cotto in this fight as well. I hate to say it, because in actuality I'm a way bigger fan of Pacman than Cotto. But Manny is trying to cheat fans out of a legit fight by #1. Going after a guy who is not even the biggest threat (That would be Shane Mosley unless the ring rust has caught up with him), #2. He is not fighting Cotto at his best weight as you put it.

EXACTLY! And when I talk about these facts people say I hate Pac?
I think that I am pulling up rather accurate points about the fight
and situation revolving around it without getting all emotional about
it. Since Pac mania has been running wild a lot of sketchy scenarios
have been going down before and after negotiations. I deal with
contracts and have negotiated and signed enough to know that
Team Pac is not showing their whole hands and is muscling Cotto.
How hard is it for people to see that? Manny should be able to
fight Cotto for the title at 147 LB's but is opting not to period.

[jetgeomcx]

I don't hate Freddie because I never met him personally
to have an opinion on him as a person. What I do know
is that Roach is very cautious in picking safe fights for
Manny and then bigs them up as if they were his hardest
fights to date. The last tough opponent Manny fought was
Juan Manuel Marquez and that fight could have easily gone
to Marquez. Since then he has been on easy street. Lets
say that Roach did pick Cotto because he saw something
that he could manipulate and get Pacquiao the win, why
not do it for real at 147 for the title? Manny has fought
at the 147 LB limit before right? That only tells me that
Freddie knew Oscar was a easy win and Cotto wouldn't
be at the WW limit. Roach is a phony but that's just my
opinion. Check this interview out for yourself and you
decide.

http://www.youtube.com/v/mBWNOyrHKKo&hl=en&fs=1

you got perfect visio, brah.... a 20-20 hindsight.
now you're saying that jmm was manny's last tough opponent.
haven't you forgotten that u didn't give manny a chance against oscar.
and that you lost some e-ponits, probably even some $$, when manny fought ricky???!!
now on hindsight,...you're saying that those wins are kinda easy....
well, nobody is wrong when they look back....
c'mon now grustler.....

[Iceta]

Why can't a fan and observer just say what he feels about
what's going on without being called a hater or saying that
I hate Pac/Cotto? I don't hate neither fighter I just call it
how I see it. Regardless of what, I've been giving Cotto
more of a chance in this fight then most people other than
Cotto fans and I'm not even a fan of Cotto but I know he has
enough to beat Manny if he fights smart and comes in with
a plan/strategy. Look what Pac/Arum/Roach and team Pac
have been doing with this Cotto fight so far? Now we have
a Diamond belt in the mix? Pacman is a very good fighter
but the way things are going I just see more drama being
introduced especially if Pacquiao beats Cotto. With all of
his drama and S#!t talking, Floyd never made fights and
negotiations this difficult but he gets crucified and Manny
is getting pass after pass for what is going on. It's like
Arum is working more for Pac than Cotto.

Another thing that is being overlooked by the hardcore Pacquiao fans, is he is not even hitting his training regiment like Cotto has. I don't know if they are saying that to make this fight look competitive. But if Pacquiao doesn't take this fight seriously like he has his others, he could be in for a long night. I thought he struggled in the second fight with Barrera even though he won convincingly. You would think that Manny would take this fight seriously since Cotto is way better than Oscar De La Hoya, David Diaz, and Ricky Hatton.

[GRUSTLER]

you got perfect visio, brah.... a 20-20 hindsight.
now you're saying that jmm was manny's last tough opponent.
haven't you forgotten that u didn't give manny a chance against oscar.
and that you lost some e-ponits, probably even some $$, when manny fought ricky???!!
now on hindsight,...you're saying that those wins are kinda easy....
well, nobody is wrong when they look back....
c'mon now grustler.....

Yes I did think Oscar would beat Manny, who knew he would
come in the ring looking like a run way model all frail and sick.
AND I did think Ricky would beat Manny because he had the size
to do it but he just couldn't adjust and got annihilated. I gave Manny
props for both wins and recognized that I was wrong in underestimating
Manny's abilities BUT regardless on who I thought would win or not
BOTTOM LINE is/was that Oscar/Hatton were easy fights, could you
deny that? Who would of thought that Manny would dominate Oscar
and Hatton like that? Manny's a lil dude but he handled his business.
Am I wrong for saying that JMM was Manny's toughest fight to date?
Is that a false thing to say?

[GRUSTLER]

Another thing that is being overlooked by the hardcore Pacquiao fans, is he is not even hitting his training regiment like Cotto has. I don't know if they are saying that to make this fight look competitive. But if Pacquiao doesn't take this fight seriously like he has his others, he could be in for a long night. I thought he struggled in the second fight with Barrera even though he won convincingly. You would think that Manny would take this fight seriously since Cotto is way better than Oscar De La Hoya, David Diaz, and Ricky Hatton.

If Cotto fights smart he can beat Manny Pacquiao.

[Iceta]

Yes I did think Oscar would beat Manny, who knew he would
come in the ring looking like a run way model all frail and sick.
AND I did think Ricky would beat Manny because he had the size
to do it but he just couldn't adjust and got annihilated. I gave Manny
props for both wins and recognized that I was wrong in underestimating
Manny's abilities BUT regardless on who I thought would win or not
BOTTOM LINE is/was that Oscar/Hatton were easy fights, could you
deny that? Who would of thought that Manny would dominate Oscar
and Hatton like that? Manny's a lil dude but he handled his business.
Am I wrong for saying that JMM was Manny's toughest fight to date?
Is that a false thing to say?

I did pick Oscar to beat Manny as well, so I had to eat crow on that one. It is still a **** victory where legacy is concerned because of how you can easily go back and look at things. Do people forget how Oscar's cheek bone was busted up by a non-punching Steve Forbes? I also vividly remember of how Freddie Roach said that Oscar was past it and couldn't pull the trigger anymore. And obviously everyone now knows that De La Hoya was weak as **** from making the weight. That fight was strictly a cash grab.

As far as the fight with Ricky Hatton goes, that smoke screen didn't fool me at all. I saw through that like a picture frame. I knew Hatton would get annhilated like he did because he did absolutely nothing to show that he had his confidence back after Floyd beat him down. I saw of how Juan Lazcano was able to rock him and he had to get saved by the ref on that shoe tying incident. And that fight against Malinaggi that he fought was a joke, because the dude had no power to keep Hatton off of him. So I wasn't fooled by that. And the main reason why I don't give any credit to Manny for beating Hatton is the same reason I never gave Floyd hardly any credit for beating him. He was never that good. I thought Collazo beat him.

[GRUSTLER]

I did pick Oscar to beat Manny as well, so I had to eat crow on that one. It is still a **** victory where legacy is concerned because of how you can easily go back and look at things. Do people forget how Oscar's cheek bone was busted up by a non-punching Steve Forbes? I also vividly remember of how Freddie Roach said that Oscar was past it and couldn't pull the trigger anymore. And obviously everyone now knows that De La Hoya was weak as **** from making the weight. That fight was strictly a cash grab.

As far as the fight with Ricky Hatton goes, that smoke screen didn't fool me at all. I saw through that like a picture frame. I knew Hatton would get annhilated like he did because he did absolutely nothing to show that he had his confidence back after Floyd beat him down. I saw of how Juan Lazcano was able to rock him and he had to get saved by the ref on that shoe tying incident. And that fight against Malinaggi that he fought was a joke, because the dude had no power to keep Hatton off of him. So I wasn't fooled by that. And the main reason why I don't give any credit to Manny for beating Hatton is the same reason I never gave Floyd hardly any credit for beating him. He was never that good. I thought Collazo beat him.

I think I picked Hatton because I wasn't too sure about Manny
because of JMM, who hit Manny at will in their match up but
I should have known better because Hatton is NO JMM. Cotto
is a different fighter from the 3 fights Manny has dominated and
IF Cotto is smart he would get a trainer that can pick Manny's
style apart and put it back together AND if it's true that he is
looking to getting Emmanuel Steward, that would be the best
thing he could do for this fight. Cotto's problem is that he
rarely has a plan, all he does is comes out and fights &
depends mostly on his power and if that doesn't work then
he has a tough time. Majority of the time, plans and
strategies win fights. Cotto needs a strategy, he hasn't
improved at all and he has the talent to do so but is not
utilizing it due to his pride.

[ricky1978]

Cotto got to use all the means that he needs and he can to get ready. Let see what happens at fight night.