Pacquiao-Cotto: WBO Title, WBC Diamond Belt at Stake

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  • Iceta
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    #121
    The only way I'm ordering this fight is if Arum puts a watchable undercard on it.

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    • prsi
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      #122
      Originally posted by Iceta
      The only way I'm ordering this fight is if Arum puts a watchable undercard on it.
      No disrespect to you but with or witout you, this fight will generate great revenue and PPV sells with or without a good undercard.

      That's why these ****** Presidents (WBO Valcarcel and WBC Sulaiman) are trying to ca$h in on the fights, by making up a "Diamond Belt" and twisting their own regulations.

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      • HattonFaithful
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        #123
        Originally posted by Iceta
        The only way I'm ordering this fight is if Arum puts a watchable undercard on it.
        ya dude i would wanna see chad dawson vs glen johnson and mosley v berto (if that fight gets made) on that undercard that would be way sick

        STAKED TO THE FULLEST

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        • oside4life
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          #124
          if they put soto and valero on the undercard i'm in but then again i was buying if they put tomato can vs. tomato can for 3 or 4 fights then the main event. Rerember college football will be on too and i love me some college football.

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          • dyu
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            #125
            Originally posted by Iceta
            I am actually rooting for Cotto in this fight as well. I hate to say it, because in actuality I'm a way bigger fan of Pacman than Cotto. But Manny is trying to cheat fans out of a legit fight by #1. Going after a guy who is not even the biggest threat (That would be Shane Mosley unless the ring rust has caught up with him), #2. He is not fighting Cotto at his best weight as you put it.
            Remember that Manny is fighting cotto because he is the biggest draw (for fighters 147lb and below) next to mayweather, who he wanted to fight but is not available.

            He is getting 65% w/ cotto compared to only 60% with what Mosley offered. And Cotto > Mosley in terms of drawing power. Now put yourself in Manny's shoes .. who has been fighting professionally for 12+ years.

            Any fighter who has tasted the $12M guarantee before will not wanna go back to earning less just because the hardcore fans want him to fight some other fighter.

            Heck if Manny was the same size as Cotto, no one would cry about the 145lb catchweight (w/c is to level the playing ground a little bit even though Cotto would be 10lbs+ heavier on fight night)

            The problem was with the initial negotiations that did not include the title. And pac's team muscled cotto into it ... w/c is a bytch move that caused a friction with a lot of fans.

            Had they negotiated for the title in the first place, there would not be issues. The problem with the negotiations of pac's team is that it is released to the media every so often. Negotiations should be kept private until finalized imo ... but hey, thats how the media earn their $$$. That could be controlled if both teams agree not to disclose anything related on the negotiation unless its finalized with the contracts signed.

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            • dyu
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              #126
              Originally posted by prsi
              No disrespect to you but with or witout you, this fight will generate great revenue and PPV sells with or without a good undercard.

              That's why these ****** Presidents (WBO Valcarcel and WBC Sulaiman) are trying to ca$h in on the fights, by making up a "Diamond Belt" and twisting their own regulations.
              I agree that it will generate great revenue regardless ... but putting in a good undercard will earn them more since the hesitant hardcore fan will be tempted to buy.

              Btw, imo the key for cotto to win the fight is how well he disrupts manny with his jab during manny's in-and-out flurries.
              Morales did a very good job back then (though manny's lateral movement has greatly improved since delahoya ... so its a tougher task for cotto .. but he can do it).

              However, it works both ways.
              Manny could as well time that jab and hit him in the process. He could either beat him to it or land a counter.

              Its a 50/50 fight!

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              • ThunderWolf
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                #127
                Originally posted by Iceta
                The only way I'm ordering this fight is if Arum puts a watchable undercard on it.
                You will certainly watch an immediate replay of it cuz you can`t afford a PPV right now, I presume. Or else, that would be hypocritical.

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                • GRUSTLER
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                  #128
                  Originally posted by infamous1486
                  the diamond belt is equivalent to the holy grail. it will be in the next indiana jones movie where he will fight pacman.
                  Ha ha ha!! You are crazy!

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                  • prsi
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                    #129
                    Originally posted by dyu
                    I agree that it will generate great revenue regardless ... but putting in a good undercard will earn them more since the hesitant hardcore fan will be tempted to buy.

                    Btw, imo the key for cotto to win the fight is how well he disrupts manny with his jab during manny's in-and-out flurries.
                    Morales did a very good job back then (though manny's lateral movement has greatly improved since delahoya ... so its a tougher task for cotto .. but he can do it).

                    However, it works both ways.
                    Manny could as well time that jab and hit him in the process. He could either beat him to it or land a counter.

                    Its a 50/50 fight!
                    I agree with you 100%.
                    An good undercard won't hurt but IMO will add like 3-5% difference of sells because we all know that it won't affect the tickets. That no being sold yet and it "sold out"

                    On the jab issue is exactly what i have been saying on all these post.
                    The key to Cotto's victory starts with his jab.

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                    • Junito-Rulez
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                      #130
                      WTF is the diamond belt, they finally agreed to fight at 147 or not?

                      Cotto has a tough fight in front of him but not as a blind fan but more as a boxing follower i give the edge to Miguel Cotto.
                      Miguel Cotto needs to do what he already did against similar oppositions. Effectively, he already fought good southpaws(Corley, Judah) with great handspeed like Judah, and fast skilled power punchers(Mosley). Cotto's experience against good and versatile opposition will prepare him more than Pacquiao's in lower weight classes.

                      Pacquiao on the other hands has tremendous hand and foot speed but can't change rythms in the fight. If a fighter finds a key to give him problems and to break him, he will be able to exploit that until the end. Plus Pacquiao's power at 147 is still an unknown.

                      Cotto's main key won't be his size but his power punches in close quarters, especially to the body, knowing that Manny already got stopped by body punches. Cotto's powerful jab and selective punching have to be used like he did against Mosley. His timing has to nullify Pacquiao's superior speed.

                      Pacquiao is hard to stop when he gets into his element and comfort zone, which would be to brawl it out in the center of the ring in this case.
                      Cotto shouldn't fight going backwards too much in this fight though.

                      Cotto 55% vs Pacquiao 45%.
                      I see this fight being stopped before the championship rounds with Cotto winning it by KO( body punches).

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