Cotto Does Not Agree With The WBO's Weight Stance

[briggs33]

the worst part is people act like he's this noble warrior fighting the corrupt organization But the truth is cotto is part of that corrupt organization.

Name me 1 modern fighters who benefited more from corrupt sanctioning bodies than cotto.

Let's see. after losing to margarito, he was able to fight for another title against the almighty michael jennings.

at 140, he didnt wanna fight floyd, kostya, gatti, and harris. (all title holders) Instead he was able to snatch up a world title belt against HOF Kelson Pinto.

After his war with hard hitting Paulie Malinaggi, cotto moved up to another weight class and fight for a world title. Not against Margarito, Floyd, or Cintron... NO he didnt fight any of those fighters because they have a title. Cotto fought another vacant title against one hit wonder carlos quintana.


So tell me anybody from this thread who else in boxing today benefited more from these corrupt organization besides cotto

everything is fair except he quintana part...quintana is still one of the most dangerous fighters at WW becasue of his boxing skill and wuld give Pwill a run for his money in the rubbermatch

[Iceta]

everything is fair except he quintana part...quintana is still one of the most dangerous fighters at WW becasue of his boxing skill and wuld give Pwill a run for his money in the rubbermatch

I don't think Quintana would be any trouble for Williams in a rubber match. That was a one and done performance in the first fight. But I do give Cotto more credit for beating Quintana than I do Jennings and Pinto. A point that is being brought up, and it's a legit point, is that Cotto ****** up to the WBO when he needed a belt for leverage. But since he can't use that leverage, he and all of his fans are placing all the blame on the organization instead of Cotto's own ******ity.

Cotto couldn't beat Paul Williams and Arum knew that. And that's why I don't really fault Cotto that much for letting Williams outgrow the division. But couldn't he at least have fought Berto when the fight was a little bit clamored for instead of Michael Jennings? I don't know if the WBC would be treating Cotto any better than what the WBO is doing though. That aside, I do sympathize with Cotto's cause and Pacquiao is in the wrong here. But the above things that I mentioned like fighting for vacant title belts is why I've never been a fan of Cotto.

[Gabilan]

I don't think Quintana would be any trouble for Williams in a rubber match. That was a one and done performance in the first fight. But I do give Cotto more credit for beating Quintana than I do Jennings and Pinto. A point that is being brought up, and it's a legit point, is that Cotto ****** up to the WBO when he needed a belt for leverage. But since he can't use that leverage, he and all of his fans are placing all the blame on the organization instead of Cotto's own ******ity.

Cotto couldn't beat Paul Williams and Arum knew that. And that's why I don't really fault Cotto that much for letting Williams outgrow the division. But couldn't he at least have fought Berto when the fight was a little bit clamored for instead of Michael Jennings? I don't know if the WBC would be treating Cotto any better than what the WBO is doing though. That aside, I do sympathize with Cotto's cause and Pacquiao is in the wrong here. But the above things that I mentioned like fighting for vacant title belts is why I've never been a fan of Cotto.

From what I've heard Berto's people were not interested in a match with Cotto. Kind of like when Cotto's handlers didnt think he was ready to face PBF a few years ago. In all honesty Berto shouldnt even have the belt he holds. He needs to step up!

[briggs33]

I don't think Quintana would be any trouble for Williams in a rubber match. That was a one and done performance in the first fight. But I do give Cotto more credit for beating Quintana than I do Jennings and Pinto. A point that is being brought up, and it's a legit point, is that Cotto ****** up to the WBO when he needed a belt for leverage. But since he can't use that leverage, he and all of his fans are placing all the blame on the organization instead of Cotto's own ******ity.

Cotto couldn't beat Paul Williams and Arum knew that. And that's why I don't really fault Cotto that much for letting Williams outgrow the division. But couldn't he at least have fought Berto when the fight was a little bit clamored for instead of Michael Jennings? I don't know if the WBC would be treating Cotto any better than what the WBO is doing though. That aside, I do sympathize with Cotto's cause and Pacquiao is in the wrong here. But the above things that I mentioned like fighting for vacant title belts is why I've never been a fan of Cotto.

i dont think not fighting berto was a Cotto team decision...Berot would have been the easiest choce between quintana, mosley, cottey or margarito by a long shot

[Iceta]

From what I've heard Berto's people were not interested in a match with Cotto. Kind of like when Cotto's handlers didnt think he was ready to face PBF a few years ago. In all honesty Berto shouldnt even have the belt he holds. He needs to step up!

Oh, I agree with that to the fullest about Berto needing to step up. But it seemed like Berto and Dibella were clamoring for that fight more than what Cotto and Arum was. I think Cotto would've beaten him though.

[GRUSTLER]

what contract? its a rough draft not finalized not signed, if they agreed to fight at 145 lbs and the title being on the line, will you people STFU? these are grown ass men who knows what their doing and signing. you people ***** about everything regarding the Great Manny Pacquiao, you should be happy he's making exciting and meaningful fights, i wish manny would retire after this fight and let the bitching and whining people get stuck with the likes of BORING ASS PBF, lets see if he gets you at the edge of your seat.

Damn son, why you so mad? Manny is on some bull**** bottom line.
I'm not a big fan of Cotto but even I can see that their trying to pimp
him. I negotiate and deal with contracts with companies and people
and I know for a fact that people will try to get as much as possible
without giving up much to the other party and it's not right and Cotto
is doing what he is supposed to be doing and that's taking a stand.
Just because you don't see nothing wrong with it don't mean everyone
else will see the same. This fight started out as a non title fight and
Cotto agreed to the %, weight and was/is ready to go, NOW they want
the title and Cotto is like NO lets do it at 147! Cotto should have some
leverage/say so too...... Right? It's business.

[Talisayen]

Damn son, why you so mad? Manny is on some bull**** bottom line.
I'm not a big fan of Cotto but even I can see that their trying to pimp
him. I negotiate and deal with contracts with companies and people
and I know for a fact that people will try to get as much as possible
without giving up much to the other party and it's not right and Cotto
is doing what he is supposed to be doing and that's taking a stand.
Just because you don't see nothing wrong with it don't mean everyone
else will see the same. This fight started out as a non title fight and
Cotto agreed to the %, weight and was/is ready to go, NOW they want
the title and Cotto is like NO lets do it at 147! Cotto should have some
leverage/say so too...... Right? It's business.

If Cotto thinks that he's getting the short end of the stick, he can easily walk away and look for another boxer to fight with.
That's a fact of life...

As you mentioned it's business and the person who has more leverage can dictate the stipulations that of course will favor him.

But the question is, can Cotto afford to drop the Pacquiao fight?
Is there any other alternative fight for Cotto to get much money as he's getting from the Pacquiao fight?

[GRUSTLER]

GTFOH!! he wasnt even ranked in the top 10 pound for pound rankings in any list, the Great Manny Pacquiao's resume ****s on everyone's resume currently active in boxing right now, that is why he is the MAN.

OK, the "Great Manny Pacquiao" ****s on every fighters resume
right now....... sure! Cotto fought more dangerous guys at 147
than Manny fought in his last 3 fights. PLUS, Manny two biggest
commercial wins come from beating two guys Floyd Mayweather
Jr beat. Indeed Manny is one hell of a fighter but he shouldn't
be trying to pimp Cotto like Cotto ain't done nothing in the sport.
The difference between Manny and Cotto is the mainstream appeal.
How many people come to Manny's fights from his country to
support him every time he fights in Vegas? How many times
has Cotto fought and had the Garden rocking with the Boricua's
supporting him? Both are doing a lot of good things by repping
their respective countries but Manny should be a lil fair and bend
on certain things Cotto is asking for. The sad thing is that Bob Arum
doesn't even give a f#@K about Cotto that much.

[GRUSTLER]

If Cotto thinks that he's getting the short end of the stick, he can easily walk away and look for another boxer to fight with.

But the question is, can Cotto afford to drop the Pacquiao fight?

The decision is up to Cotto but with that said I don't Cotto is that
much of a greedy guy. Seems like he has a lot of pride and probably
won't stand for what their trying to do to him but who knows? I say
he should ask for more $, put the title up for grabs, train his ass off
and kick Manny's ass.

[Talisayen]

The decision is up to Cotto but with that said I don't Cotto is that
much of a greedy guy. Seems like he has a lot of pride and probably
won't stand for what their trying to do to him but who knows? I say
he should ask for more $, put the title up for grabs, train his ass off
and kick Manny's ass.

He's greedy enough to accept the fight @ 145 lbs. The problem with Cotto is he bargains a lot but doesn't have an ace card to bargain with. Meaning he doesn't have any alternative fight to present at the bargaining table. Dog eats dog in business world and lawyers are all around to give advices to the fighters that will maximize their earning power and of course take all the advantages they can come with.