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  • Originally posted by Kevin Jesus View Post
    From 141-147, is Welterweight unless it is being scheduled as a catchweight bout. This fight is being scheduled as a Welterweight bout therefore the WBO title should be at stake. 147 is just the WW limit, not the only weight that WW bouts should be held on.

    Plus it's under WBO rules to have its' titles at stake when the bout is anywhere under it's limit or on the limit. If Cotto does not want the title to be at stake then he should fight Manny at 140 Pounds(JWW) where the Welterweight WBO has no business at. Or just vacate the title and stop bitching about vacating it. You either follow the rules or give up the title.

    Before this fight, when has this ever been done before?

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    • Cotto needs to get a professional trainer for this fight with Pacquiao to motivate him so he will have a better chance of winning. I know Joe Santiago is probably good for his conditioning. But he needs a strategy. A part of me wants to see Pacquiao go down hard in this fight even though I don't like Cotto that much. I realize that he is getting played by the system. He needs to use that as motivation to win the fight.

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      • I am glad Cotto is taking a firm stand on this. When they signed the contracts, they agreed that no title would be on the line. Now, Pacquaio is trying to bully Cotto to get what he wants and Valcarel is trying to bully Cotto to get a sanctioning fee. Valcarel can pull any crap he wants, but he won't get a sanctioning fee from Cotto. I have never been a fan of Cotto, but I support him on this.

        P.S. If and when they do fight, Cotto will k.o. Pacquaio in eight rounds.

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        • Originally posted by rommel357 View Post
          Although i understand Cotto's point of view, but he and you guys should also understand that there is no point of Manny fighting Cotto without the title. Give me any other reason why Manny should fight Cotto other than for the belt. There isn't any. Manny doesn't need Cotto. I don't think Cotto needs Manny either, but he won't get a bigger payday with anyone else right now.
          The reasons for fighting Cotto are simple. There is no other fight in which Pacquaio will make this much money and still be able to dictate most of the terms of the fight. He won't make this much against Mosley, even though he could dictate the terms. He would make more against Mayweather, but he won't dictate the terms in a fight against Mayweather. He can fight JMM again or Bradley or some other foe and dictate the terms, but he won't make half as much money as he will in this fight. Whether you want to admit it or not, Pacquaio needs Cotto as much as Cotto needs Pacquaio.

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          • Originally posted by PAC-BOY View Post
            You still cant grasp it huh? Pacquiao is giving Cotto an opportunity he will never get again. To fight the biggest draw in boxing. To begin with. If he dont like the proposition he can carry his cry baby ass on to fight Berto and let Berto beat his ass for 3quarters less than he will get with Manny.
            2nd of all...Manny said he will not go back up to the full WW limit in his last fight there....unless someone would agree on a catch. This should come to know surprise. If you get your head out of Cottos ass youd know this.
            Cry baby mutha****as! 141-147 is within the WW limits so no matter what or which way you slice it its a WW fight!
            Bottom line...If Cotto wasnt worried or insecure nothing would get in his way. Manny is giving adding more weight and Cotto is getting rid of 1 ****iun lb!
            Cotts days are numbered! Find a new idol...one that aint such a women!
            You are full of ****. Cotto can fight Mosley in a rematch, and if he wins, he can fight Mayweather and make twice as much as he is making against Pacquaio. He needs Pac just like Pac needs Cotto. Pac won't fight Mosley because he knows he will get his ass handed to him. He wont' fight Mayyweather because he won't be able to dictate the terms, so the biggest money fight out there for Pac is Cotto.

            Cotto is right. If Pac can fight De La Hoya at 147, he can fight Cotto at 147 and if he is as good as you think he is, the extra two pounds wouldn't make a difference.

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            • i don't understand why cotto is so scared to put his crown on the line. he had previously expressed his willingness to fight the best boxers out there (in this case pacquiao), why can't he accept the challenge of putting his belt on the line? having a championship belt on your waist don't matter if you could not defend it against the most dangerous challengers!
              Last edited by jr33; 08-06-2009, 05:59 PM.

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              • Originally posted by PAC-BOY View Post
                JMM Pacquiao is the fight i think all fight Fans want to see next to Mayweather / PAc!!! Cotto is just a big fight for boxing but these two are much greater!
                Admitting...Pac has pissed me off before with some of his nego tactics...simply because he would almost blow a fight I really wanted to see.
                This one isnt a bother to me personaly. Id rather see Floyd or JMM than Cotto. THis will be a good fight,but styles makes fights and Cotto is gonna get whipped out in this fight.
                I see your point and i respect your opinion, however there's no way the JMM-Pacquaio III will be bigger for Pacman, neither in Money or in Legacy than Cotto
                Beating a much bigger Cotto will definately add more legacy than fighting a boxer that not only is smaller but has been beating twice by Pacquiao already.

                Moneywise Cotto will bring more to the table than JMM specially when they are under the same promoting company.

                I agree with you on PBF but not on JMM

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                • Originally posted by big_james10 View Post
                  The reasons for fighting Cotto are simple. There is no other fight in which Pacquaio will make this much money and still be able to dictate most of the terms of the fight. He won't make this much against Mosley, even though he could dictate the terms. He would make more against Mayweather, but he won't dictate the terms in a fight against Mayweather. He can fight JMM again or Bradley or some other foe and dictate the terms, but he won't make half as much money as he will in this fight. Whether you want to admit it or not, Pacquaio needs Cotto as much as Cotto needs Pacquaio.
                  pacquiao will earn as much as he will on this fight in any other fights you present him, but cotto will not! that's just it, pacquiao is far more attractive to fans than cotto. you've got to accept that!

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                  • Why would you create special rules for Pac?
                    They both signed a contract to fight at 145, then when its all said and done, then Pac starts creating rules.

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                    • This wieght issue is getting out of hand so i come in peace to provide a solution but in order to do so let me speculate so everybody can understand

                      Let's say Pacquiao beats Cotto for the title at 145
                      Let's say Mosley fight and beats Berto and unifies both titles.
                      Let's say Pacquiao and Mosley agreed to fight at 140 (like Mosley has already said he would) what will the WBO do in this case?? If you ask me they will sell their own division again and accept this even if it will not be in the WW weight class of 141-145, oopps i'm sorry from 141-147.

                      Let Say Pacquiao and Mosley do fight for all the WW titles at 144 and Pacquao wins, will all his challengers have to fight him for the WW titles at 144??

                      Hell let resolve the WBO issue, from know on we can have a WW CHAMPION "A" from 141 UP TO 147 like the current WBO championship regulations stipulate and then we can also have a WW CHAMPION "B" from 141 UP TO 145 and we can call it Varcarcel cash in regulations. This will resolve all their problems and they can even cash in with both WW CHAMPIONS "A" and "B".
                      Well, to me honestly, the last paragraph doesn't make sense but to Varcarcel it probably will.

                      But you know what, it makes the same sense of those who say that a WW title should be on the line for non WW class fight. True 145 falls within the range, BUT 141-145 is not an existing class weight.
                      Remember this has only happened in the past because the fighters had agreed to it not because the organization made it mandatory.

                      The rules and regulations for a WBO Championship WW fight are loud and clear, it is UP TO 147 NOT UP TO 145. By agreeing to the fight at a maximum 145 weight you are LIMITING, RESTICTING AND CHANGING THE RANGE OF THE DEFINITION AND REGULATION OF A WW CLASS.

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