Why are Americans so negative about European fighters?

[Benncollinsaad]

I think it comes down to who you have beaten and who they have beaten. You can go through Jones record and look at his best wins James Toney who beat Michael Nunn who beat Kalambay by knockout who beat Mike McCallum. Nunn also beat Juan Roldan, Don Curry, Iran Barklay and Marlon Starling.

Toney also beat McCallum twice(officially)i dont think he deserved to win those fights but thats another story, he also beat Evander Holyfield, Jirov and like Jones he beat Reggie Johnson who beat your man Steve Collins CLEARLY.

Reggie Johnson hardly won one round against Roy Jones.


Benn lost to Malinga, he should of had two losses to Malinga to imo. Roy destroyed Malinga.


Clinton Woods, Virgill Hill, Pazienza, Hopkins, Malinga, Griffin.

The reason you feel like Euro fighters dont get respect i because most of the time they dont face the best competition, where are prime elite fighters on Joe Calzaghe's record ? there are not ANY!!


Take Kessler's record and break it down like we did to Reggie Johnson beating Steve Collins or Nunn beating Starling who has wins over Honeyghan, Breland or Nunn's wins over Kalambay who has wins over Bomber Graham, Mike McCallum. Who has Kessler beaten ?

Eubank is the best name on Calzaghe's record and even he was past his best, he SHOULD of lost to Dan Schommer a journeyman and he did lose to Collins twice after that and as i pointed out Reggie Johnson handled Collins.

Kessler has beaten Anthony Mundine, to name one important name. And Markus Beyer, who was the best German SM and still is. Kessler is the only one to knock him out and in 3 rounds even. As I've already said, Calzaghe didn't fight many prime fighters simply because there WEREN'T ANY in the division at the time! He did beat Omar Sheika, AN AMERICAN, who was then far better than when Jones beat him. And he also beat Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer.

I know about Schommer and he was no journeyman for sure. He had a 30-0-1 record when he fought Eubank. Does that sound like a journeyman's record? I think you are showing bias when you say that European fighters don't face the best competition...the truth is that many Americans are sceptical towards facing THEM and don't like fighting abroad. What does that say about YOUR fighters? And don't give me that crap about the judges, it's bull****! Didn't Virgil Hill win on points over Henry Maske in Germany in '96?! Didn't Michael Moorer get a decision over Axel Schulz also in Germany the same year?

And also, Toney didn't beat Reggie Johnson and Reggie Johnson didn't own Steve Collins, who at the time was not in his prime and was fighting as a middleweight. Everybody knows he first reached his prime as super middleweight.

[dans]

I just made a Eurobums thread if anyone is interest. Maybe it's more of a fun way to deal with this situation.

[Benncollinsaad]

Oh yeah, I forgot Librado Andrade. He was undefeated at the time and Kessler beat the crap out of him.

[Benncollinsaad]

I just made a Eurobums thread if anyone is interest. Maybe it's more of a fun way to deal with this situation.

Fun for who?

[Burner]

Oh yeah, I forgot Librado Andrade. He was undefeated at the time and Kessler beat the crap out of him.

The slow caveman..with no power and a good chin...YEAH Great win...

[Manny Duckman]

The slow caveman..with no power and a good chin...YEAH Great win...

He also mentioned Mundine as a good win for Kessler

[Dynamite Kid]

Kessler has beaten Anthony Mundine, to name one important name. And Markus Beyer, who was the best German SM and still is. Kessler is the only one to knock him out and in 3 rounds even. As I've already said, Calzaghe didn't fight many prime fighters simply because there WEREN'T ANY in the division at the time! He did beat Omar Sheika, AN AMERICAN, who was then far better than when Jones beat him. And he also beat Byron Mitchell and Charles Brewer.

I know about Schommer and he was no journeyman for sure. He had a 30-0-1 record when he fought Eubank. Does that sound like a journeyman's record? I think you are showing bias when you say that European fighters don't face the best competition...the truth is that many Americans are sceptical towards facing THEM and don't like fighting abroad. What does that say about YOUR fighters? And don't give me that crap about the judges, it's bull****! Didn't Virgil Hill win on points over Henry Maske in Germany in '96?! Didn't Michael Moorer get a decision over Axel Schulz also in Germany the same year?

And also, Toney didn't beat Reggie Johnson and Reggie Johnson didn't own Steve Collins, who at the time was not in his prime and was fighting as a middleweight. Everybody knows he first reached his prime as super middleweight.

If there are no great fighters in the division, then great champions find ways of challenging themselves, they do not sit their twiddling their thumbs.

Who the hell has Beyer ever beaten or Mundine ? that was lame attempt, you would of been better off not trying to use those examples.


Charles Brewer is the equivalent of one of Jones's lesser named opponents on his record like Malinga, he (Brewer) was also getting a Boxing lesson from a 35+ year old Herol Graham untill he managed to catch Graham later in the fight, Graham had been knocked cold in sparring by Howard Eastman to in the lead up to that fight, he was Boxing Brewer's ears off.


Albert Rybacki was unbeaten when he fought Carl Froch Schommer never beat anyone of note, he was a limited fighter that should of beaten Eubank.


Err yes Toney did beat Reggie Johnson, Johnson had Toney down and arguably won the first 4 rounds, then Toney virtually won all the remaining rounds. Reggie Johnson beat Collins comfortably in a tough fight, but by the end of the fight Collins was looking like he was on a survival mission, because Johnson was tattooing him.


Okay so he reached his prime at 168, but if we are in a different thread discussing Collins's wins over Eubank and Benn im sure you will say Benn and Eubank were past it


European fighters dont get respect because they dont fight the best in their prime or they are content to beat up on older fighters to enhance their rep because they could not live with some of these fighters in their prime.

Collins lost to Johnson and Johnson hardly won one round against Jones.

Malinga beat Benn both times but only got the decision second time, Jones knocked Malinga out.

[Benncollinsaad]

If there are no great fighters in the division, then great champions find ways of challenging themselves, they do not sit their twiddling their thumbs.

Who the hell has Beyer ever beaten or Mundine ? that was lame attempt, you would of been better off not trying to use those examples.


Charles Brewer is the equivalent of one of Jones's lesser named opponents on his record like Malinga, he (Brewer) was also getting a Boxing lesson from a 35+ year old Herol Graham untill he managed to catch Graham later in the fight, Graham had been knocked cold in sparring by Howard Eastman to in the lead up to that fight, he was Boxing Brewer's ears off.


Albert Rybacki was unbeaten when he fought Carl Froch Schommer never beat anyone of note, he was a limited fighter that should of beaten Eubank.


Err yes Toney did beat Reggie Johnson, Johnson had Toney down and arguably won the first 4 rounds, then Toney virtually won all the remaining rounds. Reggie Johnson beat Collins comfortably in a tough fight, but by the end of the fight Collins was looking like he was on a survival mission, because Johnson was tattooing him.


Okay so he reached his prime at 168, but if we are in a different thread discussing Collins's wins over Eubank and Benn im sure you will say Benn and Eubank were past it


European fighters dont get respect because they dont fight the best in their prime or they are content to beat up on older fighters to enhance their rep because they could not live with some of these fighters in their prime.

Collins lost to Johnson and Johnson hardly won one round against Jones.

Malinga beat Benn both times but only got the decision second time, Jones knocked Malinga out.

You are talking pure ignorant crap. Malinga lost both times against Benn. He was knocked down in the second fight and tho he won some rounds later, he certainly didn't do enough to win in my book. It was a split decision. Eubank wasn't past his prime when Collins beat him, I already said that in another discussion. Benn was.

The point is: every time a European fighter beats an American one you say that American was a bum, a nobody. Can't you see your own hypocrisy?

[Legendary Hater]

Americans are typically so negative about european fighters for a few reasons.

3. There are some Europeans who have been able to suceed and can fight (Somewhat) for example Joe calzaghe, however many are negative about him due to the fact that many of his wins were against americans who were well past their prime. (perhaps he would have still won but if he had fought Hopkins, Jones and others when they were young things may have been quite different. (This may not have been his fault though but inevitably the fights didnt happen in their primes.)

4. Often in Europe the refs seems to be watching something other than the fight. Sometimes fighters can go inside and hold, hit, pull out a wrench or whatever and it doesnt sit well here. (Often in America the judging is ****ty but the reffing is ok (most times)

5. Euro-fighters are often hyped up and everyone thinks they are destroyers that can destroy american fighters without even trying. (Fighting in europe against other robots is one thing, and when you walk through all of them thats great, but just because you can do that in Europe it is different when you fight in the states against guys who can move and now how to actually dodge a punch, and can punch out of turn!) when that Euro-fighter that has been so worshipped and doled on by reporters and everyone comes to the states and cannot even last a round against the top notch american fighters then it makes us here in the states feel that Euros are not good fighters. (Send us your best to get demolished in no time and you were saying he was soo good for what reason???)

Dont take this as me saying that Europeans have not produced good fighters just giving you the reasonings.

Cause they always get over hyped over nothing

Mexico and many fighters from other latino countries have shown their greatness, do you remember fighters such as the great Roberto Duran, or Salvador Sanchez (And many others)? These fighters fought with and beat the best that america had, in their primes. So they are not just hype jobs like many Euros.

this is the easiest cop out argument europeans have when they cant get the perceived recognition they think their favorite fighters (who is probably their same race) deserve.

they pull out the americans are racists or xenophobic card.

Do you think it has anything to do with hatton not being that good & calzaghe fighting 39 & 43 year olds?

Joe Calzaghe did beat him into oblivion. Yet, Lacy was not great by far he was just average. I can understand how Euros would feel that way though. Lacy took a heck of a beating. American fans however were not singing songs and changing the names of cars, and even making statues of Lacy like Euros were with Hatton, who stepped to the U.S. only to be beaten severely by Mayweather and demolished by pacquiao. Many Americans felt Lacy was great but there were a ton of us who felt he was just average.

Why are Europeans so interested in what Americans think? I mean I read wayy more posts about Americans not liking Europeans from Europeans than Americans, explain that. I liked Calzaghe personally, but beating 2 legends who are past their best does not make him the greatest fighter ever, and all the bull**** about Calzaghe could beat a prime Roy because he beat him while he was older argument makes me want to talk ****.

Why do you guys care what Americans think. Americans don't give a *** what you think about their fighters.

95 percent of the american boxing experts are wrong constantly. 95 percent of the american boxing writers are the same. Both are guys who most times dont know their head from their butts and pick the easy way out by not answering the question most of the time or being lulled in by the same hype that the masses do. How many of them though Hopkins wouldnt make it past three with Trinidad or that there was no way that it was possible for Mike Tyson to ever lose even if he fought a match in his sleep after limping away from a car accident.

Look at *********.com and look at what writers like graham Houston have to say. He never ever picks a winner and gives runaround answers. The boxing writers and experts opinions mean almost nothing. Many of them have not ever even had a pencil fight in their lives.

quit being such a stereotypical generalizing dolt. just because you see some adopted home schooled smegma-esque asshats making threads on here about your vertical heavyweight champions, you think that gives you a pass to come in and make a whine thread? it's not our fault the only real heavyweight glory since before the klitschko's was cooper's knockdown of ali, bruno stunning tyson, etc. don't blame us for your fighters sucking.


now, calzaghe's the real deal. I feel sorry for people ate up with the haye hype, Haye is going to retire before the 2012 olympics. khan is not going to last on the world level, trust me.

You catch bigger fish in bigger ponds...

you go sparring in the country where there's no opposition and you'll be weak compared to a guy who sparred and started in an urban community where there's lots of toughs around, you know?

am I making sense?

na·tion·al·ism

1.) Devotion to the interests or culture of one's nation.
2.) The belief that nations will benefit from acting independently rather than collectively, emphasizing national rather than international goals.
3.) Aspirations for national independence in a country under foreign domination.

Im a Brit and i can tell you now that its majority of Brits on here that are obsessed with nationality, but lots of the Brits on here try to hide their nationalism by flipping it around and pretending its Americans who are nationalistic.

Great posts.

[Dynamite Kid]

You are talking pure ignorant crap. Malinga lost both times against Benn. He was knocked down in the second fight and tho he won some rounds later, he certainly didn't do enough to win in my book. It was a split decision. Eubank wasn't past his prime when Collins beat him, I already said that in another discussion. Benn was.

The point is: every time a European fighter beats an American one you say that American was a bum, a nobody. Can't you see your own hypocrisy?

Malinga lost both times against Benn ?

**** goes your credibility. Good bye!