Floyd must've done something great, because he's got TONS of haters

[screwhead1]

i think that when people cry about floyd...they get their arguments from people who don't know what he hell they're talking about...everyone is great until they fight mayweather...then they ****** all along...

the same will go for shane...cotto...even pac...if mayweather beats them...it will be because he didn't fight them at this or that time and they were past their prime...it's all bull****...

[eazy_mas]

Say what you may, the questions about his WILLINGNESS to fight the best are there and they are justified. Until he answers that question decisively he will always have that dark cloud hang over him & he'll never get the credit he deserves. If he actually cares about his legacy he'll turn it around but I wouldn't hold your breath.

6 WBC belts is something rarely done.

But style wise and boxing level if Cotto and Floyd meet up. Cotto would probably lose.

[C.Y.]

In the last 5 years? no question about it. Boxing is what have you done for me lately.

Overall I'd still say Cotto. He's fought Mosley/Marg/Clottey who are toughter than any 3 opponents Floyds faced.

Not to mention soon to fight Pacman.

and cotto arguably lost against clottey, you can make a case for shane, and he did lose to margarito.

mosley a few times in his career turned down to fight floyd.

cotto is a good fighter and can be great but he's also a guy who fought gomez and michael jennings in that 5 year span

[sandyvahra]

floyd has done better ppv buys even against the same opposition.

as for as mosley goes, floyd has been chasing that man for years and they both can be to blame for their fight not happening.

cotto didnt want any part of floyd at 140, hsi team said he wasnt ready.

forrest and spinks arent draws

What does PPV have to do with this thread??? Lets see what does more jmm/pbf or pac/cotto...that'll show you whose bigger right now.

The fight could have been made now again, but it didn't. He doesnt care about the fans like he says he does, only his bank account.

So what if Cotto was green then, later when asked about Cotto floyd says "he lives in puerto rico"

Not everything is based on PPV jesus christ if you want to be remembered and cement your legacy you FIGHT THE BEST....not THE BEST PPV DRAWS.

[sandyvahra]

6 WBC belts is something rarely done.

But style wise and boxing level if Cotto and Floyd meet up. Cotto would probably lose.

A belt is a belt. Once you get to a certain level you're bigger than belts and both pacman/floyd are at that level.

Floyd UD's Cotto i dont doubt that, but just godamn do it and shut your naysayers up. He gets more hate than other fighters because of his matchmaking and contradictions.

[C.Y.]

What does PPV have to do with this thread??? Lets see what does more jmm/pbf or pac/cotto...that'll show you whose bigger right now.

The fight could have been made now again, but it didn't. He doesnt care about the fans like he says he does, only his bank account.

So what if Cotto was green then, later when asked about Cotto floyd says "he lives in puerto rico"

Not everything is based on PPV jesus christ if you want to be remembered and cement your legacy you FIGHT THE BEST....not THE BEST PPV DRAWS.

no you dont understand my point!!
i dont care about PPV buys, but your saying that pacman, cotto, etc are bigger draws than floyd in effort to make your case against him.

im just saying ppv buys wise, floyd ****s on pac and cotto.

when comparing floyd and manny against the same opponent, floyd's numbers have surpassed mannys.

we are just talking about drawing power my friend

[sandyvahra]

and cotto arguably lost against clottey, you can make a case for shane, and he did lose to margarito.

mosley a few times in his career turned down to fight floyd.

cotto is a good fighter and can be great but he's also a guy who fought gomez and michael jennings in that 5 year span

What part if its ok to lose dont you understand? Its not about losing, its about fighting the best, challenging yourself & risking defeat. Every godamn great fighter has lost, WHO CARES. WINS > LOSSES and if you don't understand that I can't help you.

Mosley & Floyd both have had chances, but this isn't 2001 this isn't 2006, it's 2009 and Mosley called him out on national tv (which apparently is what has to be done to get a fight with floyd since he justified it by saying marquez called him out). Yet another contradiction. Can you connect the dots?

Cotto last 5 years of fighting **** on Floyds. If you dont agree start a godamn poll already.

[eazy_mas]

What does PPV have to do with this thread??? Lets see what does more jmm/pbf or pac/cotto...that'll show you whose bigger right now.

The fight could have been made now again, but it didn't. He doesnt care about the fans like he says he does, only his bank account.

So what if Cotto was green then, later when asked about Cotto floyd says "he lives in puerto rico"

Not everything is based on PPV jesus christ if you want to be remembered and cement your legacy you FIGHT THE BEST....not THE BEST PPV DRAWS.

to my experince at the end of the day nobody cares of you legacy that much. It might be remebered from time to time but nothing special

Fans are really most hypocrite people you could ever get even though they are the same people who make you rich.

Floyd wanted a six title belt he got it. He got his first belt about a year after his debut.

He skills in the ring is impressive.

He was very very active in his early year more active than Cotto was.


Give credit to a person when it is due.

[sandyvahra]

no you dont understand my point!!
i dont care about PPV buys, but your saying that pacman, cotto, etc are bigger draws than floyd in effort to make your case against him.

im just saying ppv buys wise, floyd ****s on pac and cotto.

when comparing floyd and manny against the same opponent, floyd's numbers have surpassed mannys.

we are just talking about drawing power my friend

Ok, but again that was then, this is now. And now, in 2009 after the emergence of Pacman floyd can't even sell tickets in his backyard. I dont think you can argue present day who the face of boxing is, its pacman. As far as PPV draw in 2009 i'll bet you all my point right now that pac/cotto outsells jmm/floyd and ill give you odds on that.

Drawing power for those 2 common fights keep in mind HBO promoted the **** out of pbf/oscar more than any fight in history. Floyd/Hatton didn't do too much better than pac/hatton. Going forward in 2009 pacmans ppv will beat out floyds and im sure you can see that since you seem quite level headed.

[sandyvahra]

to my experince at the end of the day nobody cares of you legacy that much. It might be remebered from time to time but nothing special

Fans are really most hypocrite people you could ever get even though they are the same people who make you rich.

Floyd wanted a six title belt he got it. He got his first belt about a year after his debut.

He skills in the ring is impressive.

He was very very active in his early year more active than Cotto was.


Give credit to a person when it is due.

Floyd gets his credit from me up to 135lbs, after that he's tailed off. Similarily in that timespan Pac has drastically improved. Again, what have you done for me lately?

I don't know how you think being a legend is underrated. It's not about people talking about you everyday. It's a show of passion, spirit and heart in a sport that is probably the hardest and most demanding in the world. It's about respect. Look at Ali, you tell me he's not a big deal? Duran isn't still beloved in his native panama? Chavez in mexico? Being a legend is about the respect and being rememered when they talk about boxing.