Pacquiao-Cotto Being Pushed By WBO as Title Bout

[versatech]

For the tens of uninformed posters on this board, and not just for this poster, the TITLE fight between Bernard Hopkins and Oscar de la Hoya for the UNDISPUTED MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP of the world was contracted at 158 lbs. Now, anybody tell me that was not a TRUE CHAMPIONSHIP BOUT!??

Here's something better. I dare anyone here to cite any objection being made by anyone in the world at that time or at anytime, why that fight was sanctioned as a TITLE FIGHT by all the governing bodies when it was NOT made at the MIDDLEWEIGHT LIMIT of 160 lbs. Go ahead, ANYONE, I'll wait....

Nobody objected there because there was no PACMAN on that fight!
Their "law"(PAC haters) only to applies to PAC!!! LOL!!!!

[shekwan]

no it doesn't.

Title fights have been at catchweights.

Hopkins-de la hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-chavez was for the wbc welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.

bump.................

[theAleph]

I'm saying that if you want to call yourself the world champion you shouldn't need or even want to change the normal rules of boxing for a single fight, by specifying a different maximum weight in the contract from the normal one, in the hope of gaining some advantage from doing so.

If the sanctioning body decides to allow it, that's up to them, but they wouldn't have to even consider whether to allow it or not if it weren't for the fact that it's outside the normal rules of boxing. And I'm saying that it would be far better for Pac's legacy if he didn't do that, because whether you like it or not, there will always be an asterisk in many people's minds over whether it was really a legitimate world title fight, and that those who argue that a couple of pounds won't affect the outcome of this fight should turn that argument around. If a couple of pounds won't affect the outcome of the fight, then it is clearly in Pacquiao's interests for the maximum weight for the fight to be set at 147, because that would shut all the doubters up, remove any possibility of an asterisk being put on the title he won, and put him up there with the Henry Armstrongs and the Sugar Ray Robinsons if he wins.

Again that is your opinion on the matter. It is also my opinion that you should not call yourself the welter king if you can't fight as a welter. But, like you said, these are our opinions and it has nothing to do with what's the real score is.

Here's what I really think. In a perfect world, two exciting active fighters will be residing in the same weight class. But, in fact, they are 7 lbs apart. People make it seem like Pac is taking advantage of Cotto when Manny is the one moving up 5 lbs past his comfort zone. You don't really have to look hard to see that Manny is the smaller of the two.

People make a deal about the 2lbs that Cotto has to lose and conveniently forget that Manny would be outweighed by 10 lbs come fight night regardless. Is that fair? Probably not, but it's the only way the fight can happen so I'm fine with it.

At any given day, I would rather have Pac and Cotto fight at a catchweight for the welter strap than have Floyd-Baldomir fight again for the lineal welter belt. The Floyd-Baldomir fight was supposed to be for the true ruler of the division, but did you really feel anything was settled in that fight? Heck, I'd rather have Pac and Cotto fight without any belt on the line than to see Floyd and Baldomir go at it again.

In life, you can't always get what you want. This is unfortunately one of those instances.

[RingDynasty]

Pacman is losing my respect more and more each day. Cotto and Mosley have already conceded the financial aspect of a potential bout. Now he wants to fight at a catch-weight of 145 lbs which Cotto already agreed to... But then, when you thought he was done demanding.... a championship belt too!!!!!!! RIDICULOUS!! This has to stop!! If you do this for Pac then any other fighter can't be denied of such demands in the future.. this can take a huge toll on BOXING. If Pac wants to be a WELTER WEIGHT champion!! then he needs to fight (or allow his opponent) to perform at the WW LIMIT!!! Obviously if you make Cotto smaller he won't be as strong and Pac will benefit. If I was Cotto I would improve my stance financially for the bout considering the fact that I now have to add things to the table like: My $, my weight, my belt, my lifesavings, real estate, cars, wife, kids.... Maybe they should also make Miguel fight with one hand behind his back too... THAT WOULD DO IT!!!! PERFECT!!! And people badmouth $mayweather....atleast Floyd fought people at their weight class or at the weight class limit....

[tesla_power]

Pacman is losing my respect more and more each day. Cotto and Mosley have already conceded the financial aspect of a potential bout. Now he wants to fight at a catch-weight of 145 lbs which Cotto already agreed to... But then, when you thought he was done demanding.... a championship belt too!!!!!!! RIDICULOUS!! This has to stop!! If you do this for Pac then any other fighter can't be denied of such demands in the future.. this can take a huge toll on BOXING. If Pac wants to be a WELTER WEIGHT champion!! then he needs to fight (or allow his opponent) to perform at the WW LIMIT!!! Obviously if you make Cotto smaller he won't be as strong and Pac will benefit. If I was Cotto I would improve my stance financially for the bout considering the fact that I now have to add things to the table like: My $, my weight, my belt, my lifesavings, real estate, cars, wife, kids.... Maybe they should also make Miguel fight with one hand behind his back too... THAT WOULD DO IT!!!! PERFECT!!! And people badmouth $mayweather....atleast Floyd fought people at their weight class or at the weight class limit....

I think WBO is pushing for it not PAC. I also believe the the reason is $$$ for WBO.

That said, I do hope that this fight is at 147 so there won't be any * in PAC should he win.

[versatech]

Pacman is losing my respect more and more each day. Cotto and Mosley have already conceded the financial aspect of a potential bout. Now he wants to fight at a catch-weight of 145 lbs which Cotto already agreed to... But then, when you thought he was done demanding.... a championship belt too!!!!!!! RIDICULOUS!! This has to stop!! If you do this for Pac then any other fighter can't be denied of such demands in the future.. this can take a huge toll on BOXING. If Pac wants to be a WELTER WEIGHT champion!! then he needs to fight (or allow his opponent) to perform at the WW LIMIT!!! Obviously if you make Cotto smaller he won't be as strong and Pac will benefit. If I was Cotto I would improve my stance financially for the bout considering the fact that I now have to add things to the table like: My $, my weight, my belt, my lifesavings, real estate, cars, wife, kids.... Maybe they should also make Miguel fight with one hand behind his back too... THAT WOULD DO IT!!!! PERFECT!!! And people badmouth $mayweather....atleast Floyd fought people at their weight class or at the weight class limit....

It's Francisco "Paco" Valcárcel, president of the WBO, asking for the sanction sir! obviously for some cash! not PAC! ok! read again!

[archermac X]

Pacman is losing my respect more and more each day. Cotto and Mosley have already conceded the financial aspect of a potential bout. Now he wants to fight at a catch-weight of 145 lbs which Cotto already agreed to... But then, when you thought he was done demanding.... a championship belt too!!!!!!! RIDICULOUS!! This has to stop!! If you do this for Pac then any other fighter can't be denied of such demands in the future.. this can take a huge toll on BOXING. If Pac wants to be a WELTER WEIGHT champion!! then he needs to fight (or allow his opponent) to perform at the WW LIMIT!!! Obviously if you make Cotto smaller he won't be as strong and Pac will benefit. If I was Cotto I would improve my stance financially for the bout considering the fact that I now have to add things to the table like: My $, my weight, my belt, my lifesavings, real estate, cars, wife, kids.... Maybe they should also make Miguel fight with one hand behind his back too... THAT WOULD DO IT!!!! PERFECT!!! And people badmouth $mayweather....atleast Floyd fought people at their weight class or at the weight class limit....

You just might be an idiot, but I won't call you anything like that. The WBO is pushing for this to be a world title fight. It's not like Pac is the only one who wants the fight to be a title fight. And as posted before by an enlightened poster named SHEKWAN, try to argue against these facts:

Hopkins-de la hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-chavez was for the wbc welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.

[versatech]

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Originally Posted by thread stealer
no it doesn't.

Title fights have been at catchweights.

Hopkins-de la hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-chavez was for the wbc welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.


and why are there no haters responding to this post?

[Dave Rado]

For the tens of uninformed posters on this board, and not just for this poster, the TITLE fight between Bernard Hopkins and Oscar de la Hoya for the UNDISPUTED MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP of the world was contracted at 158 lbs. Now, anybody tell me that was not a TRUE CHAMPIONSHIP BOUT!??

Here's something better. I dare anyone here to cite any objection being made by anyone in the world at that time or at anytime, why that fight was sanctioned as a TITLE FIGHT by all the governing bodies when it was NOT made at the MIDDLEWEIGHT LIMIT of 160 lbs. Go ahead, ANYONE, I'll wait....

It was very strongly criticised at the time, by many people, and if De La Hoya had won, there would have been an asterisk in many people's minds over the legitimacy of the title he had won. The same applies to Chavez-Whitaker, and to all other catchweight fights that were for world titles.

[Dave Rado]

try to argue against these facts:

Hopkins-de la hoya was for 4 middleweight titles and the contracted weight was 158.

Leonard-hearns 2 was for the super middleweight title and the contracted weight was 163.

Leonard-lalonde was for both the super middleweight title and light heavyweight title and the contracted weight was 168.

Whitaker-chavez was for the wbc welterweight title and fought at a catchweight of 145.

This is only recent history, there's been some of these in the first half of the 20th century as well.

And all of those were criticised at the time. So why is it okay that they were criticised but not okay on this occasion? That seems like double standards to me.