Pacquiao-Cotto Being Pushed By WBO as Title Bout

[Dave Rado]

Why some ****** fans cant understand that Pac is not a WW.

Then how can he call himself the World Welterweight champion?

His lone fight at WW he weighed in 142 while the weight limit was 147. Its a big 5 lbs difference there why Pac did not weighed 147 in that fight? Its because he is not a natural WW, he is a lightweight.

He thinks he's a natural Jnr Welterweight, and so does Roach. Neither of them believe he's a natural Lightweight any more. And he was the first Jnr Welterweight Hatton had ever faced, in nearly four years as The Ring's world Jnr Welterweight champion, who looked physically stronger and more powerful than Hatton in the ring. Given that, and given the way he destroyed Hatton, I would be astonished if he was unable to be competitive at Welterweight.

And in any case, you're missing the point, because this thread isn't about whether it's fair or not, it's purely about whether it's right for a world Welterweight title to be on the line in a catchweight fight.

[whirlwind]

Roach clearly thinks it may be, otherwise he would have no possible reason to ask for a catchweight, especially given that it is not in Pac's interests legacy-wise. If you think Roach is wrong (and I think he may well be), then I wish you could persuade Roach of that, so that the fight can be made without a catchweight.



No, there is no minimum weight. Henry Armstrong weighed 133lb when he won the Welterweight title. The only stipulation is that fighters can weight anything they like up to a maximum of 147lb. By stipulating a different maximum weight, it becomes a catchweight fight. Roach has acknowledged this, as he has referred to it as a catchweight fight.

This isn't about whether it's a good fight at 145, because Cotto thinks he can make that weight without being weight drained, so purely as a fight, it's fine by me; and nor is about whether Pac deserves credit if he wins, for the same reason. It's purely about whether it's right that catchweight fights should be for titles. To me that's bull****. To me, if you believe you're the best fighter in the world in a weight class (which is what you're claiming when you call yourself a world champion), you wouldn't need to or even want to specify unusual maximum weights. To call yourself the world champion in that situation is wrong, IMO.

And I realise it's happened several times in the past, such as De La Hoya-Hopkins and Whittaker-Chavez but I think it was just as wrong those times as well. The fact that bad things have happened in the past doesn't make it right for them to happen again.

For me I also wants this fight to happen at 147 to shut peoples mouth but we also know that Pac is not a WW. The fact is Cotto without the belt this fight will not gonna happen. He will not risk his health fighting bigger man just for the money but must be also for the legacy. This is his last fight he said. Its so sad.

[Pullcounter]

A simple "welterweight is 141 to 147" would've sufficed. That's a lot of copying and pasting and repetition just so you can feel smarter than the 25,000 idiots quoted.

its easy... use the multi-quote button.

Roach clearly thinks it may be, otherwise he would have no possible reason to ask for a catchweight, especially given that it is not in Pac's interests legacy-wise. If you think Roach is wrong (and I think he may well be), then I wish you could persuade Roach of that, so that the fight can be made without a catchweight.

with or without the catchweight, cotto will still outweigh pac by 10+ lbs on fight night. I dunno why you are crying for.

No, there is no minimum weight. Henry Armstrong weighed 133lb when he won the Welterweight title. The only stipulation is that fighters can weight anything they like up to a maximum of 147lb.


By stipulating a different maximum weight, it becomes a catchweight fight. Roach has acknowledged this, as he has referred to it as a catchweight fight.

correct

This isn't about whether it's a good fight at 145, because Cotto thinks he can make that weight without being weight drained, so purely as a fight, it's fine by me; and nor is about whether Pac deserves credit if he wins, for the same reason. It's purely about whether it's right that catchweight fights should be for titles. To me that's bull****. To me, if you believe you're the best fighter in the world in a weight class (which is what you're claiming when you call yourself a world champion), you wouldn't need to or even want to specify unusual maximum weights. To call yourself the world champion in that situation is wrong, IMO.

that's you're problem. you seem to believe that pac is a WW. he is not. pac isn't trying to make a case that he is the best fighter in the world at WW. this is purely a payday. I have no doubt in my mind that pac will go back to jr WW after this fight.

And I realise it's happened several times in the past, such as De La Hoya-Hopkins and Whittaker-Chavez but I think it was just as wrong those times as well. The fact that bad things have happened in the past doesn't make it right for them to happen again.

the precedent is set in history so no matter how you feel about it, you gotta take it up the ******.

[Dave Rado]

For me I also wants this fight to happen at 147 to shut peoples mouth

I wish it was possible for his fans to convince him of that.

This is his last fight he said. Its so sad.

I hadn't heard that. When did he say that? Do you have a link?

[Dave Rado]

this is purely a payday.

That's fine, no title should be on the line in that case.

[Pullcounter]

Then how can he call himself the World Welterweight champion?

easy, if you beat the WW champ at WW then you are the WW champion.

He thinks he's a natural Jnr Welterweight, and so does Roach. Neither of them believe he's a natural Lightweight any more. And he was the first Jnr Welterweight Hatton had ever faced, in nearly four years as The Ring's world Jnr Welterweight champion, who looked physically stronger and more powerful than Hatton in the ring. Given that, and given the way he destroyed Hatton, I would be astonished if he was unable to be competitive at Welterweight.

competitive? sure. but he ain't a WW. you need to get that in your brain.

And in any case, you're missing the point, because this thread isn't about whether it's fair or not, it's purely about whether it's right for a world Welterweight title to be on the line in a catchweight fight.

like you said before WW is anything below 147 lbs... specifically 147 to 141 lbs. therefore a fight at 145 lbs is a WW fight and therefore the belt can be on the line pending negotiations.

[Pullcounter]

That's fine, no title should be on the line in that case.

that's depends on the negotiations. a fight at 145 lbs is still a WW fight and the title is still up for grabs.

[loui_ludwig]

I think this "welterweight" title should only be on the line if they are fighting at the welterweight weight of 147... I just dont understand that, so if Pacquio wins he's gonna defend the belt at 142-145lbs? FOH Pac

You know that that 147 is the weight limit for WW division. You don't have to fight at the weight limit of 147. If you weigh in 141 to 146(which Cotto did), then you are in fighting in the WW division.

[loui_ludwig]

Since some of you are worried about the weight issue of WW, then Cotto did not fight as a WW agasint Clottey cuz he(Miguel) only weigh in at 146 pounds. 1 pound below a147.

[Dubious-Dutch]

Make it happen!