No Offense to PAC Fans, but...

[THE REED]

Pac has great competition @135-140. i remember Roach being concerned about Guzman, but whatever team Pac wants to do, i guess. they're just looking for one more big payday, mega fight to call it quits. at this point, my respect for Pac is getting shorter by the day. Even Hatton, as big of a draw he was ON HIS OWN, never forced a WW to meet him halfway. Instead he took a risk and fought Collazo on short notice @ 147 anyways.

This is true. Good point.

I am just saying, if you want to beat Mosley/Cotto.. beat them at their best.

If they are too big, then stay there, until you feel you can fight in that division.

[deanrw]

I understand the fact these Cotto-Pac and Mosley-Pac would be exciting fights.

I just have a problem when the Two champions at Welterweight aren't looking at any other welterweights... and the Champion at Jr. Welterweight... isn't looking at any other Jr. Welterweights..

Actually Cotto seems indifferent about the whole thing. I don't think he cares about who he fights. It is Mosley looking south for a fight against Floyd or Manny.

Cotto is just being dragged into it by his promoter. I also think Manny really only wants to fight Floyd.

So I would say it is Mosley and ole Bob causing the disruption.

[THE REED]

Actually Cotto seems indifferent about the whole thing. I don't think he cares about who he fights. It is Mosley looking south for a fight against Floyd or Manny.

Cotto is just being dragged into it by his promoter. I also think Manny really only wants to fight Floyd.

So I would say it is Mosley and ole Bob causing the disruption.

At the end of the day... to quote Joe Cotto CHOOSES his opponent, Arum only lays out options.

Same with Pac... Arum lays out the options, Pacman chooses.

[PittyPat]

Best topic made so far. I've been trying to figure out what it is about this situation I dislike, but Reed explained it better than I could've. I like Pac and respect him greatly for what he's done in boxing, but I don't think what he's doing right now - making catchweight conditions to WWs - is beneficial for boxing. It's more harm than good, and we'll only end up talking about such fights in a negative light should they take place (i.e. Pac-DLH).

Granted, some of you may get your so-called 'dream' matches if Cotto or Shugs reluctantly (and regretfully, IMO) back down and fight him at a lower weight than 147, but subsequently I won't be able give Pac much credit if he beats them. If going up is too much for him, he should look at JMM or Floyd at 140. Or even the not-so-huge-draws like Campbell, Bradley, Katsidis, etc.

In the end, I won't think any less of Pac if he never fights Cotto or Shugs. He could retire now and I'd consider him a HOF/ATG without hesitation. But, if he re-rematches JMM and faces Floyd, I'll damn near be compelled to put him in the GOAT rankings. If he beats them.

[Roger Mellie]

The next elite fighter Cotto fights will beat him,sad, but true. Even the most ardent boricua must believe that.

We didnt see anything to worry about in the Jennings fight,but that was because Jennings had no business being in the ring with him.

Very worrying signs against Clottey the other night. At times he looked scared when Clottey was walking him down. The Margarito fight was the tilt. That was a savage beating he recieved and it has pushed him over the edge.

That is a real shame,but thats boxing. Part of Cotto's appeal through the years have been the exciting fights/wars he has been in, but that takes its toll and when your number's up,it up.

If he fights Williams,Mosley(if he is in a similar vein of form as his last outing) or Pac I would be amazed if he even goes the distance.

[THE REED]

Best topic made so far. I've been trying to figure out what it is about this situation I dislike, but Reed explained it better than I could've. I like Pac and respect him greatly for what he's done in boxing, but I don't think what he's doing right now - making catchweight conditions to WWs - is beneficial for boxing. It's more harm than good, and we'll only end up talking about such fights in a negative light should they take place (i.e. Pac-DLH).

Granted, some of you may get your so-called 'dream' matches if Cotto or Shugs reluctantly (and regretfully, IMO) back down and fight him at a lower weight than 147, but subsequently I won't be able give Pac much credit if he beats them. If going up is too much for him, he should look at JMM or Floyd at 140. Or even the not-so-huge-draws like Campbell, Bradley, Katsidis, etc.

In the end, I won't think any less of Pac if he never fights Cotto or Shugs. He could retire now and I'd consider him a HOF/ATG without hesitation. But, if he re-rematches JMM and faces Floyd, I'll damn near be compelled to put him in the GOAT rankings. If he beats them.

Thanks man Good post.

[deanrw]

At the end of the day... to quote Joe Cotto CHOOSES his opponent, Arum only lays out options.

Same with Pac... Arum lays out the options, Pacman chooses.

Well I mean. If Arum called me up and said: "You wanna fight Manny for 10 Million Dollars?" I would say "**** yeah

I still think Cotto is only looking for big fights, against anyone. Manny is an option of course, as it is a huge fight. I think he would fight Mosley again if offered. he does not seem like the type to shy away from a good fight.

Mosley is really only looking for a giant payday right now. I don't think he is interested in any other welterweights. He wants that 10 million payday only. He basically wants some big bucks because he knows the Margarito performance will probably never happen again and he wants a good nest egg. I'm not knocking Mosley for it either. He has earned the right to one more big fight.

[ИATAS]

Who gives a **** about what the casual fans think? Seriously. The boxing purists are the ones that carry the sport along. The thousands of boxing purists that are members of this website are the ones that carry the sport along.

If it was up to the casual fans, we'd proberly see some ***ed up ****** fights being made.

Stop talking about casual fans, they have no relevance to what Reed is saying. We as boxing purists would rather see a fighter fight a guy at his best weight rather than him fighting him at a weight which will give him a disadvantage.

While some of this is true you cannot ignore that the casual fans are what brings our sport into the spot light. The mega fights with Pacman vs Oscar, or potentially Mayweather, etc. are what brings our sport back on ESPN news and makes headlines across the globe.

So while I agree us boxing junkies keep the sport alive, the casual fan has a very important role as well in getting our sport bigger and better.

Pacman vs Mayweather or Cotto >>>>>>>>>> unification of 147

[chinoy]

ree****yaluss, i agree with your point...

Im a pac fan but I want pac to fight Cotto at the WW limit of 147lbs.

[ИATAS]

This is true. Good point.

I am just saying, if you want to beat Mosley/Cotto.. beat them at their best.

If they are too big, then stay there, until you feel you can fight in that division.

Then the same should apply to Cotto/Mosley, who are the ones that want the Pacman fight more. If they want to fight Pac, either fight him at 140 or a catchweight. If that's not possible, stop chasing him!

And Hatton was a different story. He was a 140 pound fighter forever and blows up to like 190. He decided he'd take a crack at 147 and moved up, whereas pacman is a much naturally smaller fighter and has been at 140 for about a month, he's pushing his wight as it is.