No Offense to PAC Fans, but...

[THE REED]

Pacman doesn't need belts at this point, he's going for legacy adding names on his resume. To quote joe, at the end of the day, if Pacman retires with everything he's done till now, then beats Cotto at 145 and/or Mosley at 145, then fights mayweather, that's ATG status, especially considering he's a little filipinio fighter that barely weighs in at 138 pounds.

Again, the point of THIS particular thread... is these catch weights are disrupting unified divisions. You have 3 champions, one 140 and two 147... and none of them want to fight the guys in their division because of this catchweight. Granted Cotto is a beast fighting other welterweights. I am making the point RIGHT NOW because, we have Mosley sitting over there, who Cotto barely beat, and Mosley ran over the guy that ran him over and they are both title holders.

That is unfinished business to me.

in the long run does it make a difference whether the better fighter between Cotto and Mosley is established before or after Pacquiao beats one of them?

these are still monumental wins either way though... Mosley and Cotto have great name value

Like I said, this thread is about these catchweight fights disrupting unifying the divisions.

Mosley-Cotto... two champs at the top of the division, should be fighting eachother... rather than having to go below their best weight to fight a little fighter..

[ИATAS]

it takes two to tango here. people calling pac a cherrypicker for making them go down but how about cotto and mosely asking a smaller fighter to fight at 147.

ding ding ding we have a winner!!

[El Jesus]

I like how you keep side stepping my question regarding JCC & Whitaker. Whitaker weighed in at 145. So he wasn't at his best because of the two pounds? Thought he put on a great show myself and easily won the fight...

The thing is though is that weight was never going to be much of a factor into how that played out, and the way cotto seemed at 140 in comparison to 147, there actually could be a difference. I think thats why your point is a little harder to relate to.

[El Jesus]

Like how Mayweather held on to a belt for like 2 years without fighting a mandatory???

exactly.

This same issue frustrated me about mayweather when he retired, was that he didint defend his championship but 1 time after he won it. When he surrendered it, i didint care too much.

I didint mind that mayweather fought dlh and then hatton, but it was slightly annoying that he didint take on anyone else. But when he surrendered the belts, i no longer needed to hold him at that standard, even now.

[THE REED]

I like how you keep side stepping my question regarding JCC & Whitaker. Whitaker weighed in at 145. So he wasn't at his best because of the two pounds? Thought he put on a great show myself and easily won the fight...

The disadvantage with Pacman fighting Mosley & Cotto at 147 is on fight night Pacman is going to weigh about 148 whereas Cotto & Mosley will be 160+++. Regardless, I really don't care I got Pacman beating Cotto & Mosley at 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, and 150. But that's just me and Pacman/Roach have every right to demand cotto/mosley at a catchweight, it's only fair.

No, I understand your point Robin.

Riddle me this Robin.

Pacman beats THE UNIFIED champion in HIS weight class... is that better then beating ONE of the champions, UNDER their best weight?

I did answer your question, thanks.

[THE REED]

For the record... maybe the title of this thread is a bit misleading... I am equally placing blame ON BOTH parties at 140, and at 147 for this.

Not just Pac.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

agreed with Reed


forget PAC-Cotto or PAC-Shane or any of those matchups


i'd rather watch PAC-Holt and PAC-Bradley....now THOSE are the fights we ALL want

[ИATAS]

Again, the point of THIS particular thread... is these catch weights are disrupting unified divisions. You have 3 champions, one 140 and two 147... and none of them want to fight the guys in their division because of this catchweight. Granted Cotto is a beast fighting other welterweights. I am making the point RIGHT NOW because, we have Mosley sitting over there, who Cotto barely beat, and Mosley ran over the guy that ran him over and they are both title holders.

AGAIN, does anyone care about JCC vs Whitaker at 145?? History has forgotten that it COULD have been at 147. No one cares. Just like no one will care about this precious unification bout that you want with Cotto and Mosley, who I remind you will be retired after 1 or 2 more fights. No one will care. What will be discussed though is the actual fight, just like JCC & Whitaker.

Mosley-Cotto... two champs at the top of the division, should be fighting eachother... rather than having to go below their best weight to fight a little fighter..

Blame Cotto and Mosley then for losing a whopping 1 to 2 pounds to make the most money possible, because in the end that's what it's about. Cotto & Mosley wanting the big $$$

[ИATAS]

exactly.




I didint mind that mayweather fought dlh and then hatton, but it was slightly annoying that he didint take on anyone else. But when he surrendered the belts, i no longer needed to hold him at that standard, even now.

Pacman surrendered his belts in a timely fashion when he moved up in weight. I don't see the problem if he wins the Ring at 140, fights Cotto. Who knows what he will do after that.

[THE REED]

AGAIN, does anyone care about JCC vs Whitaker at 145?? History has forgotten that it COULD have been at 147. No one cares. Just like no one will care about this precious unification bout that you want with Cotto and Mosley, who I remind you will be retired after 1 or 2 more fights. No one will care. What will be discussed though is the actual fight, just like JCC & Whitaker.



Blame Cotto and Mosley then for losing a whopping 1 to 2 pounds to make the most money possible, because in the end that's what it's about. Cotto & Mosley wanting the big $$$

First of all, calm your ass down... because you are coming at me way to aggressive.

Second of all, I answered your JCC question two pages back by agreeing with you.

Third of all... its only ONE pound now?

Fourth of all... A LOT of people care about a unified champion.