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  • THE REED
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    #11
    I understand the fact these Cotto-Pac and Mosley-Pac would be exciting fights.

    I just have a problem when the Two champions at Welterweight aren't looking at any other welterweights... and the Champion at Jr. Welterweight... isn't looking at any other Jr. Welterweights..

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    • baracuda
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      #12
      Originally posted by reedickyaluss
      if you can't fight WW's at WW... then you should stay at JR ww, until you can.

      Is Pac going to get FULL credit by beating Cotto and Mosley under 147lbs?
      same goes for cotto and mosely wanting a fight with manny......are they gonna get full credit by beating the smaller pac at 147 knowin he only fought there once?...it just happens that the mega fight many people want to see is between a current jww and ww's......

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        #13
        If you can't beat Cotto or Mosley at their best (147) Then the fight to me ISNT that great as far as legacy...

        There is that "yeah but...." that goes along with the fight...

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        • Ravishing
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          #14
          Though I agree WWs and Jr WWs should fight, it doesn't mean that Cotto, Mosley, and Pac can't individually fight each other either.

          It's a business at the end of the day and just like in the past, you can excuse a mandatory bout from time to time in order to get a big payday. Cotto's fought more current top WWs than any WW Boxing today, so I think he deserves his shot at the huge payday.

          The problem lies when you have the supposed "P4P #1" who doesn't fight the best guys out there.

          In my eyes, Pac vs Cotto is a fight we could only dream about and its becoming a reality, but yet people still complain about it because either of them arent fighting say a Timothy Bradley or an Andre Berto?

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          • SuckaPunch
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            #15
            Agree for the most part.

            I hate to compare Dela Hoya and Pacquiao (because popularity-wise, it isn't even close), but somehow, Pacquiao is becoming the present-day "Dela Hoya" when it comes to disrupting potentially significant fights.

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              #16
              Originally posted by reedickyaluss
              I kind of feel he is disrupting the welterweight and JR. WW division...

              For starters... Mosley-Cotto SHOULD be the very next fight...

              You have the two biggest guys, the two champions of the division, and neither are looking at any other welterweights right now..

              Then you have PAC who has the Lineal title at 140... and he isn't looking at any other 140lbers right now, either..

              Mosley Cotto are the two guys are at the very top of their division, their last fight was very close... and I think Mosley-Cotto should be happening next, but neither of them can take their eyes off Pacman. I understand why, I do... but I feel like they should be focused on becoming the undisputed champion. How good can you feel as champion... when there are two other champions in your own weightclass... I feel like that is unfinished business.

              I also feel like, if Pac feels he can beat welters, then he should fight them at welter... If they are too big, then stay at JR WW... until you feel you can handle another move up in weight.

              Catchweights may make for interesting fights, but they do not help us sort out either division. In a time of boxing when every weight class has 3-4 different champions, these catch weight fights aren't helping matters.

              Also, neither fighter will get full credit for a win... If you beat Mosley or Cotto under 147lbs, how much credit do you expect to get?

              Just to end all that, it's not that I wouldn't enjoy a catchweight between Pac-Mosley or Pac-Cotto... I definitely would, I would buy both fights, and I would enjoy both fights, and I know they would BOTH be exciting... I just think as far as boxing purists, there are more important things.

              Like a unified champion in the division.

              P.s. I am assuming about a 50% agree/disagree here... because I know a lot of people prefer these catchweights... and it's understandable.
              bravo!! great post

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              • THE REED
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                #17
                Originally posted by Ravishing
                Though I agree WWs and Jr WWs should fight, it doesn't mean that Cotto, Mosley, and Pac can't individually fight each other either.

                It's a business at the end of the day and just like in the past, you can excuse a mandatory bout from time to time in order to get a big payday. Cotto's fought more current top WWs than any WW Boxing today, so I think he deserves his shot at the huge payday.

                The problem lies when you have the supposed "P4P #1" who doesn't fight the best guys out there.

                In my eyes, Pac vs Cotto is a fight we could only dream about and its becoming a reality, but yet people still complain about it because either of them arent fighting say a Timothy Bradley or an Andre Berto?
                But How much credit will either fighter get?

                Cotto beats the smaller PAC?
                Pac beats the drained Cotto?


                You know that will be the case.

                Meanwhile you have TWO champions at the top of the division.. Sure Cotto barely beat Mosley.. but Mosley RAN OVER Margarito who RAN OVER Cotto.

                If there was ever a time for a rematch... it should be now.

                But we have Pac lingering 7 pounds under, and nobody can stop looking at him.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by reedickyaluss
                  Yeah, but things have happened since that fight. Cotto had a SERIOUS loss to a guy that Mosley ran over. That right there in and of itself should make a rematch happen IMO
                  what that margarito cheated and couldnt pull the same **** off mosley? cmon bro.

                  The only thing that has happened is that the media is placing Mosley ahead of Cotto which he should not be after being defeated.

                  They should be tied as the top WW if you ask me.

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                  • THE REED
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by fightingfigs
                    what that margarito cheated and couldnt pull the same **** off mosley? cmon bro.

                    The only thing that has happened is that the media is placing Mosley ahead of Cotto which he should not be after being defeated.

                    They should be tied as the top WW if you ask me.
                    I think Mosley should be over Cotto... but that point is moot.
                    Lets say for instance I agree with you.. they are EVEN at the top.

                    WELL LETS FIGHT THEN?!

                    Two EVEN WW Champions... and they can't take their eyes off Pac.

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                    • BMWM3P
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                      #20
                      I would agree but Pac is too big of an oppurtunity to be ignored, I couldn't blame any of these two guys, beating Pac would make them much bigger in the publics eye plus a lot richer. And that in itself would make Cotto vs Mosley rematch a much bigger fight.

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