Joe Calzaghe Would Continue if Knocked Out Like Hatton

[S.G.]

Just because Hopkins wasn't in his prime doesn't mean he wasn't elite at the time he fought Calzaghe

[Chunk..]

(a) The Sun doesn't always print the truth, but in the case of fact base articles, the Guardian does not make things up. It has an international reputation for fact checking comparable to the New York Times or Washington Post. (b) It was well known at the time, Showtime confirmed it, and many Hopkins fans remember it. Several of them have told me on these forums that they remember Hopkins saying that the real reason he pulled out was because of his bad blood with Don King at the time.

So it was all Hopkins fault.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Those are straight reports, not opinion pieces, published at the time, not in hindsight. The Guardian and BBC aren't red top glad rags that twist facts for propaganda purposes, they both have international reputations for accuracy and fact checking. If you showed me a straight fact-based article about Hopkins in the New York Times and if I dismissed it just because the New York Times happens to be American, I'd be showing extreme bias, and you're showing extreme bias by dismissing straight fact-based articles just on the basis that the newspaper or broadcaster happened to be British.

In those days (2001-2002), Calzaghe was almost unknown outside Britain (which was a major part of why he had so much trouble getting big fights), so it's hardly surprising that most articles about him at that time were published in Britain. But to accuse media outlets of the quality of the BBC and The Guardian of just being cheerleaders is so ridiculous that it just shows extreme bias on your part.

This is just utterly ridiculous. Have u read some of their articles on boxing????
Im not questioning their integrity, they report on what the promoters & boxers say. Unless they have evidence of being present in the negotiating table or on the phone during discussions.


That is where the problem is. What promoters & boxers say. I dont know if u know this, but boxing as a sport is one dirty slimey reptillian lying motherfu**ers.

They dont always, scratch that, they always lie & bull****.

To take what they say to a reputable journalistic product as a sincere finality is a massive ignorance on your part.


btw, ive read guardian & bbc articles on boxing.

pretty good cheerleaders.

[Chunk..]

Just because Hopkins wasn't in his prime doesn't mean he wasn't elite at the time he fought Calzaghe

There's a big difference between fighting a Pacquiao or a Mayweather, then fighting a 40 odd year old Hopkins.

Calzaghe fans don't like hearing it put to them like this. There's always an answer, reason or excuse.

[S A M U R A I]

This is just utterly ridiculous. Have u read some of their articles on boxing????
Im not questioning their integrity, they report on what the promoters & boxers say. Unless they have evidence of being present in the negotiating table or on the phone during discussions.


That is where the problem is. What promoters & boxers say. I dont know if u know this, but boxing as a sport is one dirty slimey reptillian lying motherfu**ers.

They dont always, scratch that, they always lie & bull****.

To take what they say to a reputable journalistic product as a sincere finality is a massive ignorance on your part.


btw, ive read guardian & bbc articles on boxing.

pretty good cheerleaders.

It wasn't only those papers that reported the Calzaghe-Hopkins 2002 fight and it's failure to materialize. Quite a few people in the boxing world have spoken on it. It's well documented by multiple sources.



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[Vivid Intent]

Come on guys, how do you expect someone who's been following boxing for a year to know this?

[Dave Rado]

Calzaghe & his fans meanwhile are another story. They act as if the whole freaking boxing community should just automatically give calzghe all time great & legendary status based on beating kessler,lacy, & a 39 & 43 year old roy & bernard & a undefeated record.

Show me one post in this thread that calls him an ATG or legend in world terms. No one in this thread has said that, so why all the hate? You seem to be reacting to posts that were posted in some other thread rather than this one.

He's a sure fire Hall of Famer, he was a great fighter, and in strictly UK terms he is rated by most in the top 5 of all time, so in strictly UK terms he's an ATG and a legend; but I wouldn't rate him as an ATG in world terms, and I certainly wouldn't call him a legend in world terms, because of his resume.

But you go to the opposite extreme, and in my book, haters and nuthuggers are cut from the same cloth as each other, and are two sides of the same coin. Just because you don't like the nuthuggers (none of whom have posted in this thread) doesn't give you an excuse to be an irrational hater.

[Dave Rado]

So it was all Hopkins fault.

It was Hopkins who didn't want the fight in 2002, but to use the word "fault" is silly. Why should Hopkins want to fight Calzaghe in 2002? Calzaghe wasn't a big name then and was in a different weight division from Hopkins. So why should Hopkins want to fight him?:

The point is that Calzaghe did want those fights at that time and couldn't get them.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Was the Hopkins that Joe faced last year better then the Hopkins pre 02?

Hopkins backed out according to The Guardian and The Sun.

Newspapers don't always print the truth.

Debatable. Pre-02, Hopkins was more aggressive but wasnt considered one of the best until post 02 where he became a smarter fighter.

I dont read the Guardian and I use the Sun when I run outta bog roll lol

[Chunk..]

It was Hopkins who didn't want the fight in 2002, but to use the word "fault" is silly. Why should Hopkins want to fight Calzaghe in 2002? Calzaghe wasn't a big name then and was in a different weight division from Hopkins. So why should Hopkins want to fight him?:

The point is that Calzaghe did want those fights at that time and couldn't get them.

Fair enough.