Joe Calzaghe Would Continue if Knocked Out Like Hatton

[DonTaseMeBrah]

I had Hopkins at #3 but he wasn't elite when he fought Calzaghe, no were near it. Hell, Calzaghe wasn't even elite when he fought Hopkins.

Was Hopkins a P4P elite fighter when he fought Calzaghe?

Hatton fought and lost twice to P4P elite fighters, Calzaghe didn't fight any.

And obviously it wasn't Calzaghe's fault that fights with a prime Roy and Hopkins didn't happen. It was never his fault.

exactly brah.


Calzaghe has a big fanbase & most improtantly he's a white guy who can fight.

HOW ON EARTH COULD HE EVER BREAK INTO THE AMERICAN BOXING SCENE??????


I see some user here show links of BBC OR UK boxing articles that says calzaghe tried to fight both guys in their prime but so & so back out or whatever. A BBC OR UK article says it & its gospel??????


It was on calzghe to fight in america & beat guys & become a name & force hopkins & jones to fight him. Not the other way around.


Roy & bhop were stars already. It was on joe to make a name for himself. Instead they make a offer & when that doesnt work out they go back to wales & fight bums.

But when someone questions them about fighting prime roy & bhop they fall back on "O we tried but they didnt want to cop out."

weak brah.

weak.

[Dave Rado]

Ask some of the Calzaghe toy boys on here about my fair and objective views on Calzaghe and come back and try telling me i'm 'irrational hater'.

Hatton fought and lost to P4P elite fighters. Calzaghe didn't.

Some Calzaghe fans seem to object to this? Why? It's the truth.

What's irrational is your claim that Hopkins is not a P4P elite fighter, and that in P4P terms he ranks alongside Boldomir. That's just idiotic.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I had Hopkins at #3 but he wasn't elite when he fought Calzaghe, no were near it. Hell, Calzaghe wasn't even elite when he fought Hopkins.

Was Hopkins a P4P elite fighter when he fought Calzaghe?

Hatton fought and lost twice to P4P elite fighters, Calzaghe didn't fight any.

And obviously it wasn't Calzaghe's fault that fights with a prime Roy and Hopkins didn't happen. It was never his fault.

You had Hopkins as 3rd best fighter in the world but he wasnt a "P4P Elite Fighter".

You've lost me.

I didnt say it was anyones fault. Oh except Hopkins who backed outta the fight lol

[Chunk..]

What's irrational is your claim that Hopkins is not a P4P elite fighter, and that in P4P terms he ranks alongside Boldomir. That's just idiotic.

Hopkins was P4P but wasn't elite. And didn't rank him alongside Baldomir P4P, i was using Dirk's logic that because Hopkins was #1 in his division, then he was an elite P4P fighter.

Go back and read the posts before you brandish me an idiot.

[S A M U R A I]

1-yes i am new here. look at the join date.

2-Lacy can fight a 40 year b/c & we dont give him **** about it b/c Jeff Lacy & his fans (if there are any) dont claim all time greatness & legendary status.

Calzaghe & his fans meanwhile are another story. They act as if the whole freaking boxing community should just automatically give calzghe all time great & legendary status based on beating kessler,lacy, & a 39 & 43 year old roy & bernard & a undefeated record.

I dont think so brah.

& I dont need your approval brah.

Ive asked u several times where u are from but u dont wanna tell me.

When did you ask? Sorry man, I probably didn't even see your messages. I was made in the USA and shipped over to England where I spent the majority of my life. Right now I live on the moon.

Yeah, I know you don't need approval, I was just expressing slight disappointment because I thought you were a good poster. You are, most of the time. That's all I was saying, nothing personal, we just gotta agree to disagree on my mang Slappy Joe.

Regarding "They act as if the whole freaking boxing community should just automatically give calzghe all time great & legendary status based on beating kessler,lacy, & a 39 & 43 year old roy & bernard & a undefeated record.", again, I disagree. I appreciate Joe's entire body of work and longevity, not just a few wins late in his career. I always said the Jones fight was quite meaningless, the Hopkins fight was close and ugly, Kessler was a great win, Lacy was a great masterclass, but there are others such as Eubank (who I consider one of the best wins), prime Robin Reid, Bika (not exceptionally talented but gives everyone he fights a hard night), even ol' Richie Woodhall was a pretty solid win. Brewer and Mitchell, too.



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[Chunk..]

You had Hopkins as 3rd best fighter in the world but he wasnt a "P4P Elite Fighter".

You've lost me.

I didnt say it was anyones fault. Oh except Hopkins who backed outta the fight lol

Was the Hopkins that Joe faced last year better then the Hopkins pre 02?

Hopkins backed out according to The Guardian and The Sun.

Newspapers don't always print the truth.

[Dave Rado]

I see some user here show links of BBC OR UK boxing articles that says calzaghe tried to fight both guys in their prime but so & so back out or whatever. A BBC OR UK article says it & its gospel?????.

Those are straight reports, not opinion pieces, published at the time, not in hindsight. The Guardian and BBC aren't red top glad rags that twist facts for propaganda purposes, they both have international reputations for accuracy and fact checking. If you showed me a straight fact-based article about Hopkins in the New York Times and if I dismissed it just because the New York Times happens to be American, I'd be showing extreme bias, and you're showing extreme bias by dismissing straight fact-based articles just on the basis that the newspaper or broadcaster happened to be British.

In those days (2001-2002), Calzaghe was almost unknown outside Britain (which was a major part of why he had so much trouble getting big fights), so it's hardly surprising that most articles about him at that time were published in Britain. But to accuse media outlets of the quality of the BBC and The Guardian of just being cheerleaders is so ridiculous that it just shows extreme bias on your part.

[Dave Rado]

Hopkins was P4P but wasn't elite. And didn't rank him alongside Baldomir P4P, i was using Dirk's logic that because Hopkins was #1 in his division, then he was an elite P4P fighter.

Go back and read the posts before you brandish me an idiot.

If you don't think P4P elite includes the top 5 P4P fighters then I suggest you look up the word "elite" in the dictionary.

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Was the Hopkins that Joe faced last year better then the Hopkins pre 02?

Hopkins backed out according to The Guardian and The Sun.

Newspapers don't always print the truth.

Better win

Syd Vanderpool or Kelly Pavlik

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[Dave Rado]

Was the Hopkins that Joe faced last year better then the Hopkins pre 02?

Hopkins backed out according to The Guardian and The Sun.

Newspapers don't always print the truth.

(a) The Sun doesn't always print the truth, but in the case of fact base articles, the Guardian does not make things up. It has an international reputation for fact checking comparable to the New York Times or Washington Post. (b) It was well known at the time, Showtime confirmed it, and many Hopkins fans remember it. Several of them have told me on these forums that they remember Hopkins saying that the real reason he pulled out was because of his bad blood with Don King at the time.