Mayweather vs. Marquez on July 18 - Two Pounds Apart?

[boxing2106]

wow what a ***** damn mayweather.... like dedass just fight him at 143 or 144 just few pounds u can do it..

[Xcusemymood]

You are much more balanced than the majority of Floyd fans on here. But the reason it's a big deal is that all non-biased boxing fans want to see as competitive and as fair a fight as possible, not a fight where one fighter appears to be trying to stack the cards in his favour - because boxing is not only a business, it is also a sport.

And DLH was strongly criticised, including by many of his own fans, for taking the Pac fight, whereas your post is the closest I've seen to a criticism by a Floyd fan of the fact that he's trying to make the fight at 147, and even you don't go as far as actually criticising him.

The irony is that at 140, it would be considered a legacy fight for Floyd, because 140 is reasonably close to JMM's best weight, and JMM is a great fighter. So it's in his own interests, legacy-wise, to make the fight at 140. He's missing a trick here, and his fans (those who aren't worshippers) should be criticising him, IMO, and they aren't.

Im not gonna disagree that it would be a better look to fight at 140.

As fans of boxing we get caught up in the sporting aspect because we dont know the ins and outs and many times tend to overlook the business side. Everyone is quick to point fingers and call people bitches when a fight doesnt happen.

It is unfortunate that PBF seems to care more about the business side....but I cant say its not a smart move.

I would like to point out that there was not a huge backlash when PBF had to move up to 154 to fight Oscar. Obviously that was not his "peak weight". Not exactly the same situation but fairly similar.

[street bully]

That`s it, JMM. Create your own legacy, don`t rely on Pac too much. Let them chase you, especially if by any chance you win against PBF. The final showdown is in the making. JMM vs. PBF is make or break. A true fighter. If JMM beats Floyd, Pac/JMM3 will be the fight of the century. It will definitely happen.

If JMM somehow beats Mayweather, which is almost impossible he should tell pac to eat a ****.

[Rooney_MUFC]

Haha, I'll be in Vegas then, Already booked, What a coinsidence!

[Dave Rado]

I would like to point out that there was not a huge backlash when PBF had to move up to 154 to fight Oscar. Obviously that was not his "peak weight". Not exactly the same situation but fairly similar.

No, it's very different, because (a) De La Hoya's fans were not claiming that De La Hoya was a natural Welterweight, and the Pac fight proved that he wasn't; (b) Floyd was moving up one division, not two, and (c) Floyd wanted Oscar's belt; whereas JMM will not gain a belt if he wins against Floyd.

[Dave Rado]

Mind I don't care about ranking how good Judah was, or how of a good of a win he was for Mayweather. My point is that I don't remember anyone in 2005 suggesting that there was a welterweight better than Judah.

Maybe you're right. But his reign as "the man" would have been very short even if there had been no Mayweather. He was only "the man" because of good timing. What was once a weak division is now a much stronger division, and those who try to pretend that Floyd has no reason to fight any of the current top Welterweights because he has nothing more to prove because he beat Judah, are suffering from the worst kind of idol worship.

[El Jesus]

He was the man in the sense that he held the lineal crown and had had one very good win (but also one loss) against Spinks. But as well as losing to Spinks, he'd also lost not that long before moving up, to Tszyu, in devastating fashion; and apart from Spinks, he had not beaten any leading Welterweights. So if by "the man" you mean "the recognised champion", he was, but if by "the man", you mean "generally recognised as the best Welterweight out there", then no, the jury was still out. And his subsequent string of losses against every leading Welterweight he's faced has shown that he was not the best Welterweight out there. He was a genuine lineal champion, but was only looking after the belt, he didn't really own it. A bit like Michael Spinks, when he was the lineal Heavyweight champion, but not the best Heavyweight out there.

Having said that, Mayweather's win over Judah was a very good win, and one of Judah's better performances; but all of the current top 4 Welters >>> Judah.

This is absolute bull****, judah was THE MAN at 147 and nobody in ****ing 2005 was saying anything otherwise, and it wasnt just because he won the lineal title, its because he was the clearfront runner of the division. i was here in 05, i can tell you right now the most anticipated fight for Judah was mayweather when hatton basically declined any action against mayweather. Stop reshaping history to fit your agenda. it wasnt until the baldomir loss that any of that status was questioned.

[GRUSTLER]

Berto offered Collazo a rematch but Collazo priced himself out of it:

DiBella had tried to make a rematch between Berto and Collazo but HBO was offering the same amount of money as they did for the first fight. That created major problems since Collazo was demanding more money for the rematch. The only way Collazo would get more money is if Berto gave up some of his own - and Berto wasn't going to make less for the rematch than he did for the first fight.

Didn't know that, thanks for the heads up! Man, Luis Collazo should
have took it and brought it to Andre Berto this time and beat him.
Would have been worth more down the road.

[roujinziro]

I hope JMM beats Mayweather, that would screw Pac out of a ridiculous payday, and probably move JMM into the #1 P4P spot.

[El Jesus]

Maybe you're right. But his reign as "the man" would have been very short even if there had been no Mayweather. He was only "the man" because of good timing. What was once a weak division is now a much stronger division, and those who try to pretend that Floyd has no reason to fight any of the current top Welterweights because he has nothing more to prove because he beat Judah, are suffering from the worst kind of idol worship.

He was the man because he was the man. Who cares about why, and floyd beating welterweights at this point would only serve to enhance his legacy, at this point, every fight for him is about legacy, the leg work of his career was basically sealed at 130, he could have dominated there his whole career if he wanted to. Its his legacy we question because floyd himself blows it out of porportion, not the fact that he has something to prove, he doesnt. And only someone whos only been around the sport the last couple of years would think otherwise, which is the case with most of the people in this thread with the exception of a few.