Floyd Mayweather vs. prime Roberto Duran at lightweight: who wins?

[them_apples]

Thats what he is. What should I call him a swarmer instead? KO punches-in-bunches. Im not saying he is a wild swinger like Marciano if thats what your thinking. But pretty much he will stay on the inside and try to pound it out with you. Stand up and ****. Go toe 2 toe. What else do you want to call it?


But seriously(not in reply to Jab). Just because Duran is an ATG doesn't mean that he will beat Floyd who is a future ATG if not already added to the list. Seriously. Im sick of this ****. Its like every got damn name that is from the past automatically beats the present just because of their name. Oh, Duran wins automaticalls, Ali wins automatically, Foreman wins automatically, marciano wins automatically, blah blah blah. WTF? no one is not saying they aren't great but got damn. Just throw styles making fights out the window. Duran automatically wins because of his name.

Your gonna tell me Duran who looks for the finish all the time is going to beat Floyd Mayweather JR who will pot shot the **** out of you and avoid your shots better than anyone else since Whitaker? Your telling me, Duran is going to take Floyd to a decision. I can only come to few conclusions about this.


1. your ******...

2. your ****** because you believe what I stated in the paragraph above....

3. your a nub

4. you underrate Floyd way too ****ing much

5. you hate Floyd.


If styles make match ups and thats what you believe and know true. Then there is no reason to pick Duran. Its going to be a decision in Floyd's favor. WHy? because thats why people think Floyd is boring. he isn't going to come at you, he's going to stay away and beat you that way. Power doesn't matter when your going to take it to a decision anyways. I honestly dont believe Floyd would think he can finish Duran. Period.

Duran is not a Brawler, he could Brawl if he wanted to, however, Duran was more of a sneaky, technical boxer, he wasn't extremely fundamental, but he used a lot of old school timing moves to catch opponents.

If he was a Brawler he would not have beat Ray Leonard, even if he did *get inside his head*.

He wasn't some tough inside fighter though like Ricky Hatton.

at lightweight I agree this is a close matchup, but Duran is freaking strong at 135.

[JAB5239]

Thats what he is. What should I call him a swarmer instead? KO punches-in-bunches. Im not saying he is a wild swinger like Marciano if thats what your thinking. But pretty much he will stay on the inside and try to pound it out with you. Stand up and ****. Go toe 2 toe. What else do you want to call it?


But seriously(not in reply to Jab). Just because Duran is an ATG doesn't mean that he will beat Floyd who is a future ATG if not already added to the list. Seriously. Im sick of this ****. Its like every got damn name that is from the past automatically beats the present just because of their name. Oh, Duran wins automaticalls, Ali wins automatically, Foreman wins automatically, marciano wins automatically, blah blah blah. WTF? no one is not saying they aren't great but got damn. Just throw styles making fights out the window. Duran automatically wins because of his name.

Your gonna tell me Duran who looks for the finish all the time is going to beat Floyd Mayweather JR who will pot shot the **** out of you and avoid your shots better than anyone else since Whitaker? Your telling me, Duran is going to take Floyd to a decision. I can only come to few conclusions about this.


1. your ******...

2. your ****** because you believe what I stated in the paragraph above....

3. your a nub

4. you underrate Floyd way too ****ing much

5. you hate Floyd.


If styles make match ups and thats what you believe and know true. Then there is no reason to pick Duran. Its going to be a decision in Floyd's favor. WHy? because thats why people think Floyd is boring. he isn't going to come at you, he's going to stay away and beat you that way. Power doesn't matter when your going to take it to a decision anyways. I honestly dont believe Floyd would think he can finish Duran. Period.

My man, Duran wasn't a brawler and he didn't stand toe to toe and ****. He was a pressure fighter who broke his man down with body shots. When he was on the inside, his defense is very underrated, he would make the other guy miss, then pay. He was incredible at this which is why he is ranked so highly p4p all time.

Not only is Duran more experienced than Floyd, he is miles better than anyone Floyd has EVER faced. Same can't be said if we look at it the other way.

Now if Castillo was able to give Floyd fits, how is it not possible Duran, who was much better than Castillo, could not beat him?

This isn't hate, its objective analysis.

[Sin City]

Duran by wide decision or KO.

[F l i c k e r]

Duran is not a Brawler, he could Brawl if he wanted to, however, Duran was more of a sneaky, technical boxer, he wasn't extremely fundamental, but he used a lot of old school timing moves to catch opponents.

If he was a Brawler he would not have beat Ray Leonard, even if he did *get inside his head*.

He wasn't some tough inside fighter though like Ricky Hatton.

at lightweight I agree this is a close matchup, but Duran is freaking strong at 135.

Well, I havent watched all of his fights. But the ones I have seen he wanted to finish the fight. Like I said. Im not saying he is wild but when I see people who want to finish. I say brawler for some reason. Because when I think brawling I think haymakers. He beat Leonard on the inside, flat footed(both fighters), going toe2toe. Which Leonard doesn't do. Which Floyd doesn't do.

Floyd's timing can be argued as the best ever. You can argue that and have a legit arguement. Duran vs Floyd in timing... im taking Floyd every time because he has something that timing requires. Agility.

Also. Im sure you know. Strength or power means nothing when your going for a decision. Floyd looks for decision first and foremost. Hence, he wont rock Duran at any point in time. Thus he will pot shot to a victory.

[F l i c k e r]

My man, Duran wasn't a brawler and he didn't stand toe to toe and ****. He was a pressure fighter who broke his man down with body shots. When he was on the inside, his defense is very underrated, he would make the other guy miss, then pay. He was incredible at this which is why he is ranked so highly p4p all time.

Not only is Duran more experienced than Floyd, he is miles better than anyone Floyd has EVER faced. Same can't be said if we look at it the other way.

Now if Castillo was able to give Floyd fits, how is it not possible Duran, who was much better than Castillo, could not beat him?

This isn't hate, its objective analysis.

Like I said in my last post. I havent watched all the fights of Duran but the ones I did see he was trying to finish. So, maybe I havent watched enough of him. Recommend some fights for me to watch, maybe?

Im not saying a one sided affair(damn, I use "im not saying" alot, lol). But I think Floyd will win in a decision. Might be controversial like Castillo. Who knows. I do think Floyd will win though.

looking for the finish vs looking for a decision.... tell me who wins? comming at you or avoiding you?

[Sin City]

Why did he win that fight?
He won that Fight because SRL decided he wanted to sit and trade with duran all night instead of box and frustrate him like he did in the 2nd fight.

Floyd would have never sit there and traded with duran all night like SRL did in the first fight..
therefore duran would have never beat floyd the same way he beat SRL in the first fight.

Ask yourself a question

1. Who is a more skilled technical Boxer: Floyd or SRL
2. Who is a better defensive fighter: Floyd or SRL
3. Who is faster: Floyd or SRL
4. Who is more willing to trade with a slugger: Floyd or SRL

SRL was a Boxer/Puncher
Floyd is a Boxer/ Counter Puncher

Key to Mayweather's defense is the fact that he is always moving as well as the rhythm,speed and smoothness of his movements, this is what makes this defense effective.

All the while his opponent is punching.
Floyd is

• rolling,
• slipping,
• pivoting at the waist,
• feinting,
• bobbing and weaving,
• constantly displaying various ‘modes’ of movement .

Changes of speed and direction, pivoting and spinning, dipping, rocking, backpedaling, sidestepping, feinting, weaving, side-slipping, angles all are part of Floyd's repertoire.

1. the rhythm of offensive motion
2. the rhythm of defensive motion.

There are usually two different overall rhythmic forms, what I call the set-up rhythm
(preparing to punch or waiting to counterpunch, depending on the style of the boxer)
the rhythm of offensive motion and the rhythm of defensive motion.

However Floyd, like many great boxers varies these rhythms in subtle ways that are difficult for opponents to time, and he can seamlessly flow from one rhythmic form to the next without any break in the forms. Usually the opponent is not even aware that the transition has occurred until it is too late.




Now ask yourself a question?


Compare SRL and Floyd Mayweather

Who do you think would more then likely give Duran more opportunities to be in a war with Duran?
SRL or Floyd.

Duran won that fight simply because he was better then Leonard. Leonard knew this, which is why he had Duran rushed into the second fight. He, himself, admits this. Floyd is in no way shape or form, better than or as good as Leonard. PERIOD.

Also, it doesn't matter if Mayweather is more of a "defensive fighter" (btw, you say that as if it's the superior fighting style.. which is laughable) Leonard was an all around better fighter than Mayweather.

[pbftxrs316]

floyd beats this man like no other. i don't even kno why i am replyinh to this thread. at lighweight, floyd beats duran. there are so many mayweather jr detractors on this forum,that it takes away from the fight imo. duran had trouble with movers right? what is floyd? an elusive fighter who movesvery well. floyd would beat duran by moving and countering off of the block. and trust me, duran threw punches that floyd could block easily... duran is not as elusive as floyd was, and floyd was a better mover than srl by far. duran would have to bumrush floyd like jlc did but smart bumrushing, and i don't thing he could do it effectively enough to beat floyd. floyd beats duran at 135 no doubt. his arsenal would offset roberto all night. face it folks...floyd' skillset is very hard to overcome. castillo came close, but floyd moved enought and countered enough to get the victory in their 1st fight. duran had more skill than castillo but floyd's skillset is one another level compared to duran, point, blank, period. imo, victoriano sosa stood a better chance against floyd than duran did...he was more technical than duran was and floyd took care of him and made him miss bad, duran would be no different. think with your brain people and not your heart, duran loses to mayweather everytime.

[pbftxrs316]

Duran won that fight simply because he was better then Leonard. Leonard knew this, which is why he had Duran rushed into the second fight. He, himself, admits this. Floyd is in no way shape or form, better than or as good as Leonard. PERIOD.

Also, it doesn't matter if Mayweather is more of a "defensive fighter" (btw, you say that as if it's the superior fighting style.. which is laughable) Leonard was an all around better fighter than Mayweather.

floyd kills cotto and has more skill than leonard ever did, period. floyd is the most technically fluent fighter there ever was possibly...

[Sin City]

floyd beats this man like no other. i don't even kno why i am replyinh to this thread. at lighweight, floyd beats duran. there are so many mayweather jr detractors on this forum,that it takes away from the fight imo. duran had trouble with movers right? what is floyd? an elusive fighter who movesvery well. floyd would beat duran by moving and countering off of the block. and trust me, duran threw punches that floyd could block easily... duran is not as elusive as floyd was, and floyd was a better mover than srl by far. duran would have to bumrush floyd like jlc did but smart bumrushing, and i don't thing he could do it effectively enough to beat floyd. floyd beats duran at 135 no doubt. his arsenal would offset roberto all night. face it folks...floyd' skillset is very hard to overcome. castillo came close, but floyd moved enought and countered enough to get the victory in their 1st fight. duran had more skill than castillo but floyd's skillset is one another level compared to duran, point, blank, period. imo, victoriano sosa stood a better chance against floyd than duran did...he was more technical than duran was and floyd took care of him and made him miss bad, duran would be no different. think with your brain people and not your heart, duran loses to mayweather everytime.

lol @ someone who has "pbf" on his s/n telling people to think with their brain and not their "heart". you obviously have NEVER seen Duran at lightweight.. you try to compare him against Leonard AT WELTER then him against someone at LIGHTWEIGHT.
Duran leaves the boy brain dead ******ed.. that's a for sure.

[BG_Knocc_Out]

Duran is not a Brawler, he could Brawl if he wanted to, however, Duran was more of a sneaky, technical boxer, he wasn't extremely fundamental, but he used a lot of old school timing moves to catch opponents.

If he was a Brawler he would not have beat Ray Leonard, even if he did *get inside his head*.

He wasn't some tough inside fighter though like Ricky Hatton.

at lightweight I agree this is a close matchup, but Duran is freaking strong at 135.

I agree with this. Duran was more of a technical fighter, but he also could brawl if needed. Take a look at the Estaban fight, Duran was killing him with the jab and had head movement with it. I think of Duran as a Technical/Brawler fighter, he was great in each catagory, he's just known more as a brawler because thats where most of his knockouts come from. And if Floys were to go on the ropes, he'd be screwed, that's more of Durans game. Duran would be to rough for Floyd then. Basically the way I see it is, prime Duran, if you can't knock him out, you're going to lose, but good luck knocking that mother ****er out, lol.