I wish Joe Blow had done more in his career...

[Oasis_Lad]

The intangibles are there for a reason. Everything is there for a reason. It's unfair to say, well if you pretend that "such and such" wasn't the case then it's similar. Umm...ok.

All opinions are there for a reason, I agree. Which brings us back to the number one point of: "Our opinions are our own and we shall defend them "

I never claimed any of my opinions were gospel. I have read your posts and I respect you ( As a boxing historian ) I was just looking for a reason as to why Hopkins is seen as an ATG and Joe isn't?

You think Hopkins ranks higher ( As do I ) but why do people criticise Calzaghe so much? Can you answer that?

[IMDAZED]

All opinions are there for a reason, I agree. Which brings us back to the number one point of: "Our opinions are our own and we shall defend them "

I never claimed any of my opinions were gospel. I have read your posts and I respect you ( As a boxing historian ) I was just looking for a reason as to why Hopkins is seen as an ATG and Joe isn't?

You think Hopkins ranks higher ( As do I ) but why do people criticise Calzaghe so much? Can you answer that?

Probably because his fans like to pretend Calzaghe is an ATG and attribute a bunch of fantasy wins to him? I don't know.

Has to be the fans because I was a supporter of Joe myself before I began posting here. Best interview I ever had (IMO) was one I did with him prior to the Manfredo bout. I just didn't know he was God until a year ago.

[S A M U R A I]

Hopkins has beat a number of fighters who were highly ranked pound for pound at the time he fought them.

This makes no sense bro. If Calzaghe kicked Pacman's ass would that make it a great win?

And hey, I'm not taking anything away from Bernard, I love the guy and I can't be bothered to argue. Just sayin' though.



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[andrewcuff]

I don't think his style changed at all. He's just old and, thus, can't deliver the same output he used to. But his mind is still sharp, his defense is still top notch and his game plan is always A+.

Jones didn't fine-tune those skills because he never had to. And by the time he had too...he was too old to learn.

Fair 'nuff, I can respect that. What Hopkins fights do you recommend before Allen?

[Duke McKenzie_]

Probably because his fans like to pretend Calzaghe is an ATG and attribute a bunch of fantasy wins to him? I don't know.

Has to be the fans because I was a supporter of Joe myself before I began posting here. Best interview I ever had (IMO) was one I did with him prior to the Manfredo bout. I just didn't know he was God until a year ago.

So Zag is where he is because of how others overrate him? Right.

[IMDAZED]

I just have done. CLEARLY. Making glib, fatuous remarks don't change that.

If you say so.

[IMDAZED]

Fair 'nuff, I can respect that. What Hopkins fights do you recommend before Allen?

John David Jackson

Glen Johnson

Andrew Council

and all the Echols bouts.

[Oasis_Lad]

Probably because his fans like to pretend Calzaghe is an ATG and attribute a bunch of fantasy wins to him? I don't know.

Has to be the fans because I was a supporter of Joe myself before I began posting here. Best interview I ever had (IMO) was one I did with him prior to the Manfredo bout. I just didn't know he was God until a year ago.

Surely you realise that those "fans" are taking the piss though?

[andrewcuff]

John David Jackson

Glen Johnson

Andrew Council

and all the Echols bouts.

Nice one. I'll watch them in the next couple of days and give you a heads up.

[Duke McKenzie_]

If you say so.

I do say so, yeah.