I wish Joe Blow had done more in his career...

[Duke McKenzie_]

He shut out the undisputed middleweight champion at 43 in arguably the greatest physical performance of a post 40 fighter. Has wins over the lineal Lightheavy champ and p4p#2/3 best post 40. That's without going near his work as the middleweight champion.

If Hopkins can't get on an ATG list with his accolades, then can Joe? There isn't even a fight for him left outside of Dawson. He's covered all the ground there is to cover outside of moving up in weight again for a legacy fight.

All of that is slightly put into perspective when you consider that he was doing this at the same time he was getting beaten by Joe, if you consider he WAS beaten by Joe.

I don't actually consider he was, particularly, so I'm defeating my own point there.

[andrewcuff]

Cuff...throwing a lot of punches is the wrong style to beat a prime Hopkins and that is absolutely NOT how Jones beat him.

Wow, you stick around and you'll hear anything on these boards.

I don't mean mindlessly throwing anything (before you say anything Calzaghe did land more punches on Hopkins!), I mean coming forward throwing and getting out before Hopkins can counter punch.

[Duke McKenzie_]

You're wasting your time. They are all caught up in that 46-0 record.

Don't be so patronising. No one's even MENTIONED the 0.

[IMDAZED]

I don't mean mindlessly throwing anything (before you say anything Calzaghe did land more punches on Hopkins!), I mean coming forward throwing and getting out before Hopkins can counter punch.

Ok...and that's still not how Jones beat Hopkins. Hopkins was the aggressor in that fight, not Jones. You either haven't seen that fight in its entirety or much of Bernard in the 90's because Hops wasn't just a counterpuncher, he was an extremely aggressive fighter with a sound defense who absolutely overwhelmed his opponents.

[Haglerwins]

Don't be so patronising. No one's even MENTIONED the 0.

Now now Duke. It wasn't on your mind... just a little?

*snickers*

[Testdead]

1. So he wanted to move up...means...he was struggling to make weight? That's pretty funny seeing how he weighed 156 for Oscar right before that.

2. Finally, can you explain how he's more of a natural LHW than MW even though nearly all of his fights were at MW, usually weighing in the late 150's?

So what Margarito weighed 145 for the Mosley fight and he isnt a natural WW he boils himself down. Hopkins had to boil to make weight he is also huge bigger than Jones, Johnson, Calzaghe all of whom did their best work fighting bigger guys.

One of the biggest elite MW ive seen fightinh welterweights is hardly an achievement.

[Oasis_Lad]

To answer your question...yes. The win is as impressive as it appeared to be then. How could it be anything less? To compare Jeff Lacy to Felix Trinidad is, for lack of a better term, ludicrous. One is a Three-division champ who will one day march into the Hall of Fame. Lacy only gets in on a visitors pass. Furthermore, Trinidad was ranked either #1 or 1a pound for pound when Hopkins fought him. Lacy has never sniffed the dirty dozen. Bad...very bad comparison.

Like I said; I think that win is overrated but it's still a great win for which Bernard deserves credit.

If you don't mind me asking, have you made a top 100 list? and if so... were do Bernard and Calzaghe place respectively?

Like I stated before:

This isn't me bashing Bernard..... I just want to put things into
perspective.

[andrewcuff]

Ok...and that's still not how Jones beat Hopkins. Hopkins was the aggressor in that fight, not Jones. You either haven't seen that fight in its entirety or much of Bernard in the 90's because Hops wasn't just a counterpuncher, he was an extremely aggressive fighter with a sound defense who absolutely overwhelmed his opponents.

I've watched the Jones fight, but it was a while back, so my memory can be hazy there. I've only reached watched Hopkins' fights since Allen. I'm downloading some earlier ones, but haven't watched them yet.

[Oasis_Lad]

Don't be so patronising. No one's even MENTIONED the 0.

Exactly. I'm a Calzaghe fan, but please don't insult me...

[IMDAZED]

Like I said; I think that win is overrated but it's still a great win for which Bernard deserves credit.

If you don't mind me asking, have you made a top 100 list? and if so... were do Bernard and Calzaghe place respectively?

Like I stated before:

This isn't me bashing Bernard..... I just want to put things into
perspective.

I'd like to see a reason why a win over a 29yr old, 40-0 (33), three-division champ who is rated #1 pound for pound could be overrated. You comparing it to Lacy is just out of this world.

But then again, notice how we're talking about just one win? And that win trumps any on Joe's resume.

I haven't made a top 100 list but Hops is top 50, Joe is top 100 on mine, perhaps less. While his consistency cannot be denied, could you possibly rank him higher when his best win could possibly be over Mikkel Kessler?