WHY DID MOSELY TURN DOWN A FLOYD FIGHT?? (Truth only)

[M.I Truth ?]

My **** is, how can you justify Cotto fighting Floyd at 140 when they were on two sides of the Boxing spectrum as far as popularity, coverage, etc. Plus, what does Cotto being the #4 ranked 140 fighter gotta do with anything? Floyd turned down a fight with the consensus #1 140 fighter (Tszu), so fighting Cotto the #4 fighter made more sense?

It wasn't until both guys made their mark at 147 that the fight started to gain steam (i.e. early-mid 2007).

Maybe would've been easier for Floyd to fight Cotto at 140 since Cotto had issues making weight?

And as far as the definition of being a green fighter, Cotto's competition rose against fights with Corley & Torres where he showed vulnerability but pulled through for the W. His team had to adjust and inevitably move up in weight where there was an obvious problem. Once he moved to 147 and took on Quintana, Zab, and Mosley...he was more than ready to take on a fight with Floyd...it just made sense then.

Mayweather wasnt a huge name in the sport at that time. He was just starting to get exposure himself. Gatti was his first PPV. The Fight could have happened but I think Bob Arum at the time wanted to hold on to that option.

[Saloth Sar]

My **** is, how can you justify Cotto fighting Floyd at 140 when they were on two sides of the Boxing spectrum as far as popularity, coverage, etc. Plus, what does Cotto being the #4 ranked 140 fighter gotta do with anything? Floyd turned down a fight with the consensus #1 140 fighter (Tszu), so fighting Cotto the #4 fighter made more sense?

It wasn't until both guys made their mark at 147 that the fight started to gain steam (i.e. early-mid 2007).

Maybe would've been easier for Floyd to fight Cotto at 140 since Cotto had issues making weight?

And as far as the definition of being a green fighter, Cotto's competition rose against fights with Corley & Torres where he showed vulnerability but pulled through for the W. His team had to adjust and inevitably move up in weight where there was an obvious problem. Once he moved to 147 and took on Quintana, Zab, and Mosley...he was more than ready to take on a fight with Floyd...it just made sense then.

(RL)Floyd turned down a fight with the consensus #1 140 fighter (Tszu), so fighting Cotto the #4 fighter made more sense?


First Like Cory said:

Tsyzu was injured for 2 years and because of that he lost his WBC/WBA belts to Gatti and harris.

When he was cleared on his injuries he had to rematch sharmba mitchell who he beat in their first fight under some controversial circumstance after that tsyzu wanted Gatti because he brings him more money but he couldnt get the fight because Hatton was next in line and had been waiting for his chance.

And I read a article by Dan rafeal of Espn that Floyd wanted to fight Tsyzu instead of the baldomir fight but they turn the fight down.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=2549586

-The Mayweather camp also had conversations with handlers for former junior welterweight champ Kostya Tszyu, who hasn't fought since losing his title to Ricky Hatton 14 months ago. Those talks, however, quickly died when it became apparent that Tszyu wasn't going to fight for the rest of the year.

And before that they also couldnt fight because Tsyzu was with Showtime and floyd was under an exclusive contract with HBo
so you got your facts mess up my dude.

(RL)My **** is, how can you justify Cotto fighting Floyd at 140 when they were on two sides of the Boxing spectrum as far as popularity, coverage, etc. Plus, what does Cotto being the #4 ranked 140 fighter gotta do with anything?

1.what does Cotto being the #4 ranked 140 fighter gotta do with anything?

Huh...If you are considered a top 5 fighter in a division in the sport of boxing. that means you are pretty good. Am I wrong? To me if you are considered a top 4 fighter in your division you are not green anymore. Thats my Opinion now unless you guys are saying that Cotto was not a top 10 fighter @ 140 then I dont understand your point about him being green


2. how can you justify Cotto fighting Floyd at 140 when they were on two sides of the Boxing spectrum as far as popularity, coverage, etc.
Like I said before

Look how great it look fot Taylor to beat a prime hopkins.
even though Taylor was considered still green.

Ready or Not, Great Athletes always take advantage of the moment.
Thats makes them great, the ability to do great things when they are expected or ready 2.

and the fact of the matter is that Cotto turn down a Mayweather fight for whatever reason...

[Saloth Sar]

[B]



Look I know you are a huge Cotto fan, but these are the facts Cotto had the chance to fight Floyd at 140. And he and his camp turn it down, because they didn’t think they were ready and the time wasnt right.

Whose Fault is that?

I am going to say some real **** I once read.

"The sad truth is that opportunity doesn't knock twice. You can put things off until tomorrow but tomorrow may never come."


If you are at all alittle bit objective you cannot PUT ALL THE blame on Floyd for not fighting cotto. Because he gave him the Opportunity to fight him, and Cotto turn it down.

What if Kobe Bryant, or Lebron James said "nall I dont think I am ready to go to the NBA right out of Highschool, i will go after i get some more experience playing college basketball" and went to college and blow out their knee, and never got to Opportunity to play in the NBA, because they injuried themselves playing College Basketball. YOU THINK IF GIVEN THE CHANCE TO DO IT OVER, YOU THINK THEY WOULD HAVE STILL WENT TO COLLEGE?

They were 17 years and saw a HUGE Opportunity and took it. And it change their life.

Floyd became a WBC World Champion at 21 years old. and after his 17th Pro fight because the man at 130 Genero presented him the Opportunity to fight him right then. Floyd could of said nall Im not ready I only had 17 fights. But he didnt do that, He saw a Opportunity and took it.


Miguel Cotto, and Shane Mosely had their Opportunites to fight Floyd and they both made the decision that the time wasnt right for them.

They thought they had all the time in the world to fight him when the time was right for them.

Well guess what?

“Time is the cruelest teacher; first she gives the test, then teaches the lesson.”

Floyd is retired. And He Retired as the greatest of his generation.
and the sad truth is both of them had the Opportunity to fight him and turn it down.

"Opportunity always looks bigger going than coming"

hate on horus if you want...but he has a point...

-The sad truth is that opportunity doesn't knock twice. You can put things off until tomorrow but tomorrow may never come-

[Sabiondo]

Cotto #1 fighter in the world

[a-raines21]

man ppl take this ducking thing too seriously..... its not that big of a deal dude.... they are all great imo.... i just like floyd better........ its like this, its all about timingin the fight game. you want to fight the fighter at the tippy top f their game...... just like shane turned down marg the first timee, and then when marg was on top, he came and knocked him out.......

now would be the time for floyd to fight shane, pac, but not cotto..... cotto isnt on top right now....

floyd is great with his timing....... so i can see him fighting hane in the near future.

[JAB5239]

Cotto IMO was ready to fight Floyd @ 140.
But he didnt take the fight. why i dunno

And when was there more money in a Cotto-Floyd fight, at 140 or 147? Because Floyd didn't want him at 147 because he said Cotto didn't bring enough money? So why did Floyd want it at 140 with less money, but not 147 with more? My point is, Floyds excuse doesn't jibe why the fight never happened.

[a-raines21]

Im gonna let you in on a little secret, son. EVERY fighter has flaws. Its just harder to see some fighters flaws when they carefully pick and choose who to fight based on money instead of who the biggest challenge is.

And you even trying to proclaim Mayweather as flawless is a joke, and flushes much of you credibility down the toilet.

the fact that u insist that hes flawed but cant name one single flaw flushes your credibility down the drain now doesnt it. if u know hes flawed, u should'nt have a problem naming one....

he may not be flawless, but if he isnt, it has yet to be proven

[JAB5239]

So cotto was green at 140??? lol i thought he was devastating earlier on and then struggled due to weight problems late on.

Certainly not ready for the best p4p fighter in the world at that time. Floyd last fight at 140 was 3 months before Cotto was buzzed by Torres. Now I don't remember the exact timeline on the proposed Cotto-Mayweather bout, but if Torres could get to Cotto, it was a good move turning down Floyd at the time.

My question is, to anybody who can answer it, why did Floyd want Cotto at 140, yet when Miguel biger name and more confident fighter Floyd said he didn't bring enough money to the table?

[JAB5239]

the fact that u insist that hes flawed but cant name one single flaw flushes your credibility down the drain now doesnt it. if u know hes flawed, u should'nt have a problem naming one....

he may not be flawless, but if he isnt, it has yet to be proven

So why was he having so much trouble with Oscar when DLH kept throwing the Jab? Yeah, flawless!! Lmao!!

[Saloth Sar]

My question is, to anybody who can answer it, why did Floyd want Cotto at 140, yet when Miguel biger name and more confident fighter Floyd said he didn't bring enough money to the table?

Floyd At 140 is not "20 million dollar" Money mayweather
Floyd at 147 is "20 million dollar" Money mayweather.
Money didnt Matter as much at 140 as it did at 147. because floyd was chasing FAME. (de la hoya)
After he beat De la hoya, Floyd probably decided he would never fight for less than 20 million dollars again.. and he hasnt. but you cant say he never gave cotto a opportunity to become great...because he did.

Cotto at 140 was a beast IMO, he is top 4 in the division.
and he was probably the biggest 140 pounder there.

My question to you?

When did you consider cotto not green anymore...and why?
after Judah? after quiantana?after mosely?
because the only to figure out if you are not green is to fight the best.
People said Mayweather was to green when he fought Genro..and he proved them wrong.

People said Taylor was to green when he fought Hopkins and he prove them wrong.
If Cotto would have fought and beat mayweather at 140 after the gatti fight
would you still called him to green after that win...???
The problem is, you are making excuses for cotto, I am not.
I think Cotto could have fought Floyd at 140 and it would have be a great fight
Cotto style hasnt change much since 140 so it doesnt matter anyways.

Like I said before
Ready or Not, Great Athletes always take advantage of the moment.
Thats makes them great, the ability to do great things when they are expected or ready 2.

People Consider Mayweather great because when he did at a young age, and who he beat at a young age. the dude fought for 11 years and was a champion for 10 of them...That is a great accomplishment. thats why we called him great because ready or not Floyd took advantage of the moment whne the oppurntinities were presented to him at a young age, when people thought he was ready to do them.
Cotto is not a baby, He could have fought Floyd at 140 and maybe could have won. but i guess he wasnt ready to become great. who knows...
but The sad truth is that opportunity doesn't knock twice. You can put things off until tomorrow but tomorrow may never come