WHY DID MOSELY TURN DOWN A FLOYD FIGHT?? (Truth only)

[Saloth Sar]

Mayweather wasnt a huge name in the sport at that time. He was just starting to get exposure himself. Gatti was his first PPV. The Fight could have happened but I think Bob Arum at the time wanted to hold on to that option.

very true..mayweather was not in the same position after the gatti fight.
as he was after the oscar fight.

Gatti,Baldomir, Judah fight he was in the 8 million range.
De la hoya, Hatton he was in the 20 million range.

And I think cotto is still in the 3 million range. so money wise it would of been
a more equal fight for both fighters with cotto at 140.
because both of them would have been making the around the same amount of money.

because now floyd is making 20 million+ a fight.
and i dont think cotto is even making 8 million.

So at 140 it would been a boxing risk for cotto but the money would of been almost equal.

and at 147 it is going to be a boxing risk for cotto but the money is not going to be nowhere near equal.. I dont even think floyd could make 20 million off of cotto.

but i still think it would be a good fight

[JAB5239]

Floyd At 140 is not "20 million dollar" Money mayweather
Floyd at 147 is "20 million dollar" Money mayweather.
Money didnt Matter as much at 140 as it did at 147. because floyd was chasing FAME. (de la hoya)
After he beat De la hoya, Floyd probably decided he would never fight for less than 20 million dollars again.. and he hasnt. but you cant say he never gave cotto a opportunity to become great...because he did.

Cotto at 140 was a beast IMO, he is top 4 in the division.
and he was probably the biggest 140 pounder there.

My question to you?

When did you consider cotto not green anymore...and why?
after Judah? after quiantana?after mosely?
because the only to figure out if you are not green is to fight the best.
People said Mayweather was to green when he fought Genro..and he proved them wrong.

People said Taylor was to green when he fought Hopkins and he prove them wrong.
If Cotto would have fought and beat mayweather at 140 after the gatti fight
would you still called him to green after that win...???
The problem is, you are making excuses for cotto, I am not.
I think Cotto could have fought Floyd at 140 and it would have be a great fight
Cotto style hasnt change much since 140 so it doesnt matter anyways.

Like I said before
Ready or Not, Great Athletes always take advantage of the moment.
Thats makes them great, the ability to do great things when they are expected or ready 2.

People Consider Mayweather great because when he did at a young age, and who he beat at a young age. the dude fought for 11 years and was a champion for 10 of them...That is a great accomplishment. thats why we called him great because ready or not Floyd took advantage of the moment whne the oppurntinities were presented to him at a young age, when people thought he was ready to do them.
Cotto is not a baby, He could have fought Floyd at 140 and maybe could have won. but i guess he wasnt ready to become great. who knows...
but The sad truth is that opportunity doesn't knock twice. You can put things off until tomorrow but tomorrow may never come

Smart fighters don't get in the ring till they know they're ready. When Cotto was ready Floyd didn't want it. All that other bs about 20 mil a fight.....please! Only Oscar and Hatton could bring that to him at the time and that just proves he didn't want to fight the best, but only pocket the cash. You will never hear me say Floyd isn't a great fighter, but he shows me no heart whatsover by picking money fights instead of the elite.

[RL_GMA]

Smart fighters don't get in the ring till they know they're ready. When Cotto was ready Floyd didn't want it. All that other bs about 20 mil a fight.....please! Only Oscar and Hatton could bring that to him at the time and that just proves he didn't want to fight the best, but only pocket the cash. You will never hear me say Floyd isn't a great fighter, but he shows me no heart whatsover by picking money fights instead of the elite.

Floyd wants big money fights, but Boxing isn't filled with Bankable names as much now as there are actual competitive and risky fights still out there. I always make the comparison to Sugar Ray because he also was indeed about the money and was very well known for that...but he took the fights EVERYONE wanted to see (maybe except Aaron Pryor). But guys like Hearns and Hagler were supposed to be nightmare match ups for Sugar Ray and he proved the critics wrong. Why can't Floyd do the same? If he can beat guys like Cotto, Mosley, or Pacquiao soundly, why doesn't he just show and prove?

Yea of course neither of them are going to make him $20 Mill, but in the same notion I think Floyd's draw is a bit overrated being his biggest crowds came from Hatton and Oscar. Now that he's been out of the limelight for a minute and his name is still circulating throughout the Boxing world awaiting his return, you're tellin me a Cotto vs Floyd, Mosley vs Floyd, Pacquiao vs Floyd WOULDN'T make big money on PPV or at the gates???

C'mon already lol...

[JAB5239]

Floyd wants big money fights, but Boxing isn't filled with Bankable names as much now as there are actual competitive and risky fights still out there. I always make the comparison to Sugar Ray because he also was indeed about the money and was very well known for that...but he took the fights EVERYONE wanted to see (maybe except Aaron Pryor). But guys like Hearns and Hagler were supposed to be nightmare match ups for Sugar Ray and he proved the critics wrong. Why can't Floyd do the same? If he can beat guys like Cotto, Mosley, or Pacquiao soundly, why doesn't he just show and prove?

Yea of course neither of them are going to make him $20 Mill, but in the same notion I think Floyd's draw is a bit overrated being his biggest crowds came from Hatton and Oscar. Now that he's been out of the limelight for a minute and his name is still circulating throughout the Boxing world awaiting his return, you're tellin me a Cotto vs Floyd, Mosley vs Floyd, Pacquiao vs Floyd WOULDN'T make big money on PPV or at the gates???

C'mon already lol...

Excellent post!

[larryx]

cause floyd ducks everyone and will lose to anyone with a heart beat

[Saloth Sar]

Smart fighters don't get in the ring till they know they're ready. When Cotto was ready Floyd didn't want it. All that other bs about 20 mil a fight.....please! Only Oscar and Hatton could bring that to him at the time and that just proves he didn't want to fight the best, but only pocket the cash. You will never hear me say Floyd isn't a great fighter, but he shows me no heart whatsover by picking money fights instead of the elite.

JAB, can you answer these questions.

1.When did you consider cotto not green anymore...and why?
after Judah? after quiantana?after mosely?

because the only way to figure out if you are not green is to fight the best.
People said Mayweather was to green when he fought Genro..and he proved them wrong.


2.If Cotto would have fought and beat mayweather at 140 after the gatti fight
would you still called him to green after that win...???

[JAB5239]

JAB, can you answer these questions.

1.When did you consider cotto not green anymore...and why?
after Judah? after quiantana?after mosely?

My man, nobody but the fighter himself and his handlers can answer that.

because the only way to figure out if you are not green is to fight the best.
People said Mayweather was to green when he fought Genro..and he proved them wrong.

I disagree with this. Most fighters are brought along at a certain pace and matched a certain way to assure they aren't thrown to the wolves to early. What Floyd did was fantastic, but that is the exception not to norm.

2.If Cotto would have fought and beat mayweather at 140 after the gatti fight
would you still called him to green after that win...???

Probably not. But he would have just beaten the best p4p fighter in the world, wouldn't he of?

[Ray*]

Certainly not ready for the best p4p fighter in the world at that time. Floyd last fight at 140 was 3 months before Cotto was buzzed by Torres. Now I don't remember the exact timeline on the proposed Cotto-Mayweather bout, but if Torres could get to Cotto, it was a good move turning down Floyd at the time.

My question is, to anybody who can answer it, why did Floyd want Cotto at 140, yet when Miguel biger name and more confident fighter Floyd said he didn't bring enough money to the table?

Mayweather wasnt making mega-money when he was fighting at 140 so his market value was reasonable hence the reason why the fight would have been easy to make, If they pay Mayweather 15-20 to fight cotto at 147 he would take the fight in a heart beat.

Cotto and Mayweather's market value wasnt far apart when they were both at 140 but at 147 Mayweather would be looking to make double figures and only oscar and hatton would bring that to the table.

[JAB5239]

Mayweather wasnt making mega-money when he was fighting at 140 so his market value was reasonable hence the reason why the fight would have been easy to make, If they pay Mayweather 15-20 to fight cotto at 147 he would take the fight in a heart beat.

Cotto and Mayweather's market value wasnt far apart when they were both at 140 but at 147 Mayweather would be looking to make double figures and only oscar and hatton would bring that to the table.

Look, Im not saying he flat out ducked anybody. But isn't this a convenient excuse not to make the fight? I always say, the best should want to fight the best. If you're not doing that and just chasing money, how are you supposed to be considered the best?

[RL_GMA]

JAB, can you answer these questions.

1.When did you consider cotto not green anymore...and why?
after Judah? after quiantana?after mosely?

because the only way to figure out if you are not green is to fight the best.
People said Mayweather was to green when he fought Genro..and he proved them wrong.


2.If Cotto would have fought and beat mayweather at 140 after the gatti fight
would you still called him to green after that win...???

You're kinda circling around the point JAB made though.

Arum and Cotto's camp both said they weren't ready for a fight with Floyd yet and during the time when Floyd beat Gatti he was already about to begin his campaign at 147 while Cotto was just about to fight Chop Chop and Torres, hence why I said prior they were on 2 different sides of the Boxing spectrum.

And then you look at Margarito, he LITERALLY went up to Floyd and told him "I wanna fight you". Margarito was recognized as one of the top 3 in the WW division and Floyd turned the fight down...why? Because when Margarito was a BIGGER name it would make them more money (according to Floyd). So I don't know how Cotto would fit into the equation of even making $8 million against him because Cotto wasn't a marquee name then and Floyd was looking for the money.

Cotto gradually progressed and got better as he began his campaign at 147. I for one would tell you Floyd would've beat Cotto at 140 simply because Cotto hadn't been in any high profile fights and didn't have the experience. Floyd had already fought Castillo (which was a tough fight), Corralles, and Chop Chop (which wasn't a walk in the park either).

Again, I'm not hating on Floyd at all, but it just seems like a cop-out to say Floyd called out Cotto at 140 when 99.9% of the Boxing world would tell you that fight made no sense at the point where Floyd called him out (which really wasn't even looked at as a big deal since Floyd was calling everyone and their mother out).

Floyd vs Cotto in 2008? or 2009 considering both Floyd and Cotto's popularity in the sport now???