WHY DID MOSELY TURN DOWN A FLOYD FIGHT?? (Truth only)

[Ray*]

So cotto was green at 140??? lol i thought he was devastating earlier on and then struggled due to weight problems late on.

[RL_GMA]

How do you know when Cotto was green or not if he doesnt take big challenges to find out???

Taylor was green when he beat hopkins.
Pacquaio was green when he beat MAB.
Floyd was green when he beat Genero.

The Point is, Being great requires you to do something that nobody expected you to do. Great fighters take chances Ready or not.
You will never know how good you truly are until you do something you thought you could not do.
Cotto IMO was ready to fight Floyd @ 140.
But he didnt take the fight. why i dunno

You're buggin B...

Everyone knows Cotto wasn't ready competitively or financially for Floyd at that time. That's like Pacquiao calling out Gamboa now. ****, he'd barely been on HBO when he was campaigning at 140. Floyd's called out a lot of fighters, but when they call his bluff (Mosley) he's no where to be found (unless your name is Ricky Hatton).

After Cotto beat Mosley and Floyd beat Hatton, the Cotto vs Floyd fight was THE #1 fight in the mouths of every Boxing expert, writer, fan, etc.

So I don't understand how a Cotto vs Floyd fight would even make sense back then when people were just finding out who Cotto was...and as far as Pacquiao vs Barrera...there was a build up for that fight months prior since Pacquiao had been on a streak of wins and was already placing his name along with Morales and Barrera as the tops in their division before they even fought.

[Saloth Sar]

Listen,

What are the circumstances surrounding a green fighter, what makes a green fighter green?

And When does a fighter stop becoming green?

If someone calls you green IMO, they are bascially saying that, that fighter has alot of flaws and alot of work to do before he can be taken seriously.

Cotto IMO was a top 4 fighter in the 140 division, when he was there.
It was Floyd,Kyztu,Hatton and Cotto.

To me if you are considered a top 4 fighter in your division you are not green anymore. Thats my Opinion now unless you guys are saying that Cotto was not a top 10 fighter @ 140 then I dont understand your point about him being green.

He was a top 4 fighter in the division. after floyd beat Gatti.
I dont understand how can you call him green.
he was in the top 4?

[El Dominicano]

Well I disagree about Floyd being the best of his time. Just remember, In boxing...where you career is over with, it'll all be about who you beat. Mayweather has an underated resume but there are more accomplished fighters/ some you could debate has done more

[Saloth Sar]

So cotto was green at 140??? lol i thought he was devastating earlier on and then struggled due to weight problems late on.

People are contradicting themselves for real first it's cotto was a beast @ 140 because of all his wins and the style he fought, now it is he was green at 140..
...Cotto is my dawg.
I didnt think he was green at 140 when Floyd called him out and tryed to get a fight with him , meaning after Floyd beat gatti.

Cotto was always way bigger then his opponents and had the size advantage at 140.

When Floyd beat gatti I think that was his 34th fight.
Cotto was already on his 25th fight by that time and was Knocking people the **** out...

He was rated top 5 in the division too..

[RL_GMA]

Listen,

What are the circumstances surrounding a green fighter, what makes a green fighter green?

And When does a fighter stop becoming green?

If someone calls you green IMO, they are bascially saying that, that fighter has alot of flaws and alot of work to do before he can be taken seriously.

Cotto IMO was a top 4 fighter in the 140 division, when he was there.
It was Floyd,Kyztu,Hatton and Cotto.

To me if you are considered a top 4 fighter in your division you are not green anymore. Thats my Opinion now unless you guys are saying that Cotto was not a top 10 fighter @ 140 then I dont understand your point about him being green.

He was a top 4 fighter in the division. after floyd beat Gatti.
I dont understand how can you call him green.
he was in the top 4?

But dude, straight from Floyd's mouth...

On ESPN Friday Night Fights:

Question from fan:

Fan: "Why don't you step in the ring with Miguel Cotto?"

Floyd: "I'd love to fight Miguel Cotto, but not yet. He has to build his name up and get his own fan base. Let him become a CEO and then we c an talk money. Plus, he's promoted by Bob Arum, Bob and I can't do business...so until he moves on Ill continue being the best"

He may have called out Cotto when he was a virtual nobody in the big scheme of things, but when in counted and would've been a much much bigger attraction, he went on to Wrestle Big Show for less than what he would've made against Cotto (Vince McMahon shot down the $20 Mill rumor real quick lol).

But again, he decided to retire and everyone else is continuing to fight...not much else to say after that.

[Saloth Sar]

shane never ducked him. mayweather wanted fight him in 2006, mosley said that he didnt have enough time for a fight at that time after the vargas fight..but wanted it in early 07. ofcourse DLH came in and ruined it for mosley. left mosley to do his dirty work fighting cotto and margarito

Mayweather in no hurry to return for Mosley

Thursday, January 29, 2009
By David Mayo


Shane Mosley is making noise about fighting Floyd Mayweather again, both with his mouth and his fists.

Perhaps he hasn't been listening.

Mayweather might be willing to come back for the biggest fight in boxing. Or maybe not. He has not wavered from his position of the past several weeks, that if he felt guided to return to the ring for the sport's biggest possible event, he might. A definite maybe.

Problem is, Mayweather-Mosley isn't the biggest possible fight.
Make no mistake, Mayweather's return would be the biggest event in boxing. No debate about the overloaded welterweight division is complete without speculating about the Grand Rapids native's potential for a comeback. He is the highest-earning American in the sport, outside of Oscar De La Hoya, whose star power was dulled by last month's lopsided loss to Manny Pacquiao.

Boxing could use a comeback by the undefeated Mayweather. And the longer he stays inactive, the more his ardent pursuers come to view him as vulnerable, which only increases the outcry.

Like from Pacquiao, the man who assumed Mayweather's pound-for-pound mantle.

Or from Ricky Hatton, the man left pancaked on a Las Vegas canvas, courtesy of a walloping left hook, last time Mayweather was seen in a ring.

But Mosley?

Mosley staked his most recent pursuit of Mayweather with a dominating ninth-round knockout of Antonio Margarito on Saturday before the largest crowd ever to fill Los Angeles' Staples Center for any event. Not even the 2004 Pistons-Lakers championship series drew like Mosley-Margarito.

Keep in mind, however, that both Mosley and Margarito entered the fight with five losses. As impressive as Mosley's power display was, it isn't as if beating Margarito hadn't been done.

It also is worth remembering the interminable delays Mosley caused for Mayweather on at least two occasions earlier in their careers, when the fight made all kinds of sense, only for Mosley to shy away.
Ten years ago, when a fight between them would have matched two of the brilliant, rising stars in the sport, Mosley balked. He and his father and then-trainer, Jack, were at Van Andel Arena the night Mayweather brought Grand Rapids its first championship fight, after which Jack Mosley was asked to assess his interest in the matchup.

For $10 million, his son would take the fight, Jack Mosley said, knowing that Mayweather had earned a $150,000 base purse for that night's lackluster decision over Carlos Rios, and that Mayweather-Mosley wasn't worth eight figures even if the purses were combined, then multiplied by two.

They traveled divergent paths for years thereafter. Mosley moved up to welterweight and defeated De La Hoya, only to lose twice to Vernon Forrest. Another win over De La Hoya boosted him again, only to fall victim to a pair of losses to Ronald "Winky" Wright.

It took until mid-2006, after Mosley scored consecutive knockouts over Fernando Vargas, before Mayweather-Mosley made sense again.

Mosley decided to take a vacation instead, leaving Mayweather to fight Carlos Baldomir.

So what would encourage Mayweather, whose eye is on bigger prizes against other marquee opponents, to agree to such a fight now that it benefits Mosley?

Probably nothing.

Richard Schaefer, chief executive of Golden Boy Promotions, said after Mosley's victory that he intends to open talks with Mayweather's representatives.

That phone might ring a while.

Mayweather-Mosley would be enormous. But fill in Mosley's name with someone else's -- someone who didn't hold up Mayweather's career, back when it mattered -- and that doesn't change.

Mosley, at 37, scored a big victory. That doesn't mean he is the person to lure Mayweather out of retirement. That fight could have happened on several occasions. Mosley opted out every time.

As much as Mosley might want to opt in now, the only opponent Mayweather should wait out is the Hatton-Pacquiao winner in May, assuming he is waiting

shane did duck him IMO..and FANG also gave a great reason...

Floyd Mayweather wanted to fight Mosley around the time he got done beating Arturo Gatti, but Jin Mosley brushed the idea off by saying, "Shane has more KO's than Floyd has wins." Simply put, the Mosley weren't interested in the fight. So, Floyd fought Sharmba Mitchell and planned on fighting Zab Judah later. All the while Shane was saying that he'd fight the winner of Judah-Mayweather because he'd "done enough so that they should fight each other" to determine who got to fight him.

After Mayweather won the fight against Judah Bob Arum was trying to sell the Margarito fight really hard, but Floyd bought himself out of his Top Rank contract in an effort to get a DLH or Mosley fight. DLH wasn't interested and neither was Mosley, but Mosley was dumb enough to say that he wasn't available because he'd had some teeth removed and had a toothache. When he was asked why he couldn't just sign to fight later he said he was going on a family vacation.

That's the truth and part of the reason why Dan Goosen jumped in to put together the Baldomir-Mayweather fight. Mayweather was going to fight Kermit Cintron before the DLH fight, but DLH made it a condition of his agreeing to fight Mayweather that he not fight any tune up fights. Since the DLH fight Mosley, realizing that Mayweather is now a huge money maker, has wanted to fight Floyd, but Mayweather hasn't really been interested in the fight.

[Saloth Sar]

RL, answer these questions for me if you can .


1.What are the circumstances surrounding a green fighter, what makes a green fighter green?

2.And When does a fighter stop becoming green?


If someone calls you green IMO, they are bascially saying that, that fighter has alot of flaws and alot of work to do before he can be taken seriously.

[Saloth Sar]

Honestly I dont even care no more for this discussion because i feel as if i might get a label of a nutthugger of which i am not....
Cotto is still one of my favorite fighters..And I hope Floyd comes back and gives cotto another opportunity. Because I think it would be a good matchup...

but as for shane, I think what shane did was **** up...and i think floyd should **** on shane just like shane ****ed of him...that's just me saying what i would do.


Top 3 fights i want to see if possible from Floyd:
1. Floyd vs. Pacquaio
2. Floyd vs. Cotto
3. Floyd vs. Williams


Top 3 fights I want to see from Cotto:
1. Cotto vs. Williams
2. Cotto vs. Mosely 2
3. Cotto vs. Clottey

[RL_GMA]

RL, answer these questions for me if you can .

1. What are the circumstances surrounding a green fighter, what makes a green fighter green?
   
2. And When does a fighter stop becoming green?

If someone calls you green IMO, they are bascially saying that, that fighter has alot of flaws and alot of work to do before he can be taken seriously.

My **** is, how can you justify Cotto fighting Floyd at 140 when they were on two sides of the Boxing spectrum as far as popularity, coverage, etc. Plus, what does Cotto being the #4 ranked 140 fighter gotta do with anything? Floyd turned down a fight with the consensus #1 140 fighter (Tszu), so fighting Cotto the #4 fighter made more sense?

It wasn't until both guys made their mark at 147 that the fight started to gain steam (i.e. early-mid 2007).

Maybe would've been easier for Floyd to fight Cotto at 140 since Cotto had issues making weight?

And as far as the definition of being a green fighter, Cotto's competition rose against fights with Corley & Torres where he showed vulnerability but pulled through for the W. His team had to adjust and inevitably move up in weight where there was an obvious problem. Once he moved to 147 and took on Quintana, Zab, and Mosley...he was more than ready to take on a fight with Floyd...it just made sense then.