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WHY DID MOSELY TURN DOWN A FLOYD FIGHT?? (Truth only)
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Cotto imo will never be ready if he already admitted wasnt ready. When Floyd offer him a fight in 2006. whats change since 2006?
i doubt if cotto can even beat clottey or margarito.
He still makes the same mistakes he made as a young pro
Those habits dont change overnight.
cotto is just not a eliite fighter yet, he is on the cusp. but he gets hit to much and swings too wide. and at this level you can not let top notch athletes hit an average on 20-35 times a round and expect to obtain the title of undisputed champion and last long, margarito just prove that.
When you got fighters who have the power to hurt you and knock you out.
Cotto- Swings wide,
- Waste Punches,
- Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
- and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.
For me what makes a fighter a great boxer is not just going in thier just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario.
It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.
Cotto has all the potential in the world. But he hasnt reach it yet.
This is why I stop placing my Champion standards on Cotto. Because to me he is not a real enough champion for me to place these kind of standards on. because he never beat a champion. He always fights for vacant titles.
IMO, Fighting for a vacant title is fine if you do it rarely. But if the only time
you win a title is against a contender for a vacant belt. Then i see it as cheating the game of boxing. Because the fighter is not willing to fight the champion for that belt or go find a champion and take his belt. But instead
That fighter is taking the easy route to become a champion.
This is nothing new with me, I been like this from day 1.
( CHECK MY THREAD HISTORY) I has always had a problem with Cotto doing this, Just because he has not done it the traditional way.
Cotto is becoming a "vargas" to me now. He is just another name in the pack... I am starting to not take the guy seriously anymore...
And To clear up the air.
There is a difference between Criticism.
and Just Hating..
I do not blately Hate on Cotto
I criticize him.
The only time I might Blately hate on Cotto is when I am obliviously trying to
make a point. About Hypocrisy i see on here.
The difference is Criticism is a where somebody points out the problem, and fellow it up with a possible answer..
Hating is just Pointing out problems with No constructive answer to follow up
your compliant.
I never say Cotto Sucks
I never say Cotto doesnt has the most potential in all of boxing
I never say cotto is not probably the best ww out of all the ww's because of his intangible's.
I never say Cotto is a fraud
I never say Cotto is a ***** for no reason.
- I did get on him for not going out on his shield like most of his fans demand other fighters do.
What I do is say, Cotto wastes punches, Cotto cant defend the straight right Hand, Cotto is vulnerable to uppercuts, Cotto defense hasnt improved much he still makes the same mistakes....,Cotto is not a draw like tito was, even though he has the same fan base, Cotto is not taking enough control of his career And Making the fights he wants public.
Thats is not Hating that is pointing out a obvious. It's called Criticism.
This is Hating:
Cotto ****ing sucks ****
Cotto is a bum. (no explanation..)
I dont blatey hate on Cotto.
I criticize him because, Everybody wants to make him something he is not.
And that is a Validated Great Fighter.
He is still trying to make a name for himself at this point of his career,
when he should be focusing on validating himself at this point of his career.
- What is Cotto's Legacy? at 28 years old and almost 9 years into his career?
- Is Cotto going to the Hall of Fame if he retire today?
- Can you rarely Compare Cotto to all time great fighters at this point in Cotto's career?
- Why Should Cotto be Place in the category of a validated great fighter base on what he has done... ?
- What Fight Make Cotto a great Fighter?
This is Criticism, These are Valid Questions....
and At this Point of Cotto's Career he has more Questions than Answers.
The funny thing is, He can still answer all of these Questions...
but The Recent Career move by Cotto fighting for another VACANT title. When the person who own that title wanted to fight Him before he vacated is ******.
When is cotto going to understand that fighting for vacant titles is not
making his situation better, but worst. Because THOSE FIGHTS ARE NOT VALIDATING HIM. BUT RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIM.
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Im sorry but I cannot respond to the longest post in history in just one sitting.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Horus View PostThe difference is Criticism is a where somebody points out the problem, and fellow it up with a possible answer..
- What is Cotto's Legacy? at 28 years old and almost 9 years into his career?
- Is Cotto going to the Hall of Fame if he retire today?
- Can you rarely Compare Cotto to all time great fighters at this point in Cotto's career?
- Why Should Cotto be Place in the category of a validated great fighter base on what he has done... ?
- What Fight Make Cotto a great Fighter?
Skills, desire and willingness to fight the best.
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[QUOTE=JAB5239;4700808]Im sorry but I cannot respond to the longest post in history in just one sitting.
I do this all the time with Floyd yet many still label me a hater. Truth is, some people (no matter which side you choose) just don't like the answers given.
- One of the best young fighters of the last 5 years, willing to fight the best and still has time to build upon the things he's already achieved.
Judging by todays standards, yes. If it was up to me, probably not.
His career isn;t over, there is no need to.
Cotto is a great fighter TODAY. He has more to do to land all time status in my opinion. But the potentiel is there.
Skills, desire and willingness to fight the best.
Cotto imo will never be ready if he already admitted wasnt ready. When Floyd offer him a fight in 2006. whats change since 2006?
i doubt if cotto can even beat clottey or margarito.
He still makes the same mistakes he made as a young pro
Those habits dont change overnight.
cotto is just not a eliite fighter yet, he is on the cusp. but he gets hit to much and swings too wide. and at this level you can not let top notch athletes hit an average on 20-35 times a round and expect to obtain the title of undisputed champion and last long, margarito just prove that.
When you got fighters who have the power to hurt you and knock you out.
Cotto- Swings wide,
- Waste Punches,
- Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
- and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.
For me what makes a fighter a great boxer is not just going in thier just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario.
It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.
Cotto has all the potential in the world. But he hasnt reach it yet.
Floyd gave him a chance in at greatness 2005/2006 but he turn it down.
due to the fact, "He wasnt ready"
This is why I stop placing my Champion standards on Cotto. Because to me he is not a real enough champion for me to place these kind of standards on. because he never beat a champion. He always fights for vacant titles.
IMO, Fighting for a vacant title is fine if you do it rarely. But if the only time
you win a title is against a contender for a vacant belt. Then i see it as cheating the game of boxing. Because the fighter is not willing to fight the champion for that belt or go find a champion and take his belt. But instead
That fighter is taking the easy route to become a champion.
This is nothing new with me, I been like this from day 1.
( CHECK MY THREAD HISTORY) I has always had a problem with Cotto doing this, Just because he has not done it the traditional way.
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- One of the best young fighters of the last 5 years, willing to fight the best and still has time to build upon the things he's already achieved.
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[QUOTE=Horus;4700837]Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostIm sorry but I cannot respond to the longest post in history in just one sitting.
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Cotto imo will never be ready if he already admitted wasnt ready. When Floyd offer him a fight in 2006. whats change since 2006?
i doubt if cotto can even beat clottey or margarito.
He still makes the same mistakes he made as a young pro
Those habits dont change overnight.
cotto is just not a eliite fighter yet, he is on the cusp. but he gets hit to much and swings too wide. and at this level you can not let top notch athletes hit an average on 20-35 times a round and expect to obtain the title of undisputed champion and last long, margarito just prove that.
When you got fighters who have the power to hurt you and knock you out.
Cotto- Swings wide,
- Waste Punches,
- Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
- and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.
For me what makes a fighter a great boxer is not just going in thier just slugging it out in a 'see who falls first' scenario.
It is seeing some real skill and artistry in the ring.
Cotto has all the potential in the world. But he hasnt reach it yet.
Floyd gave him a chance in at greatness 2005/2006 but he turn it down.
due to the fact, "He wasnt ready"
This is why I stop placing my Champion standards on Cotto. Because to me he is not a real enough champion for me to place these kind of standards on. because he never beat a champion. He always fights for vacant titles.
IMO, Fighting for a vacant title is fine if you do it rarely. But if the only time
you win a title is against a contender for a vacant belt. Then i see it as cheating the game of boxing. Because the fighter is not willing to fight the champion for that belt or go find a champion and take his belt. But instead
That fighter is taking the easy route to become a champion.
This is nothing new with me, I been like this from day 1.
( CHECK MY THREAD HISTORY) I has always had a problem with Cotto doing this, Just because he has not done it the traditional way.
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Originally posted by JAB5239 View PostLook, Im not saying he flat out ducked anybody. But isn't this a convenient excuse not to make the fight? I always say, the best should want to fight the best. If you're not doing that and just chasing money, how are you supposed to be considered the best?
Am just pointing out to you that it takes two to tango when it comes to making fights, I remember Hatton also turning down Mayweather a couple of times insisting he wasnt ready.
And when Hatton was ready his market value had even doubled, Fighters fight for money first NO matter who they are, Whether the opposition is the best available or not the fight for the biggest money fight...
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[QUOTE=JAB5239;4700854]Originally posted by Horus View Post
That would be like responding to the whole novel you wrote. Maybe later.
he still
- Swings wide,
- Waste Punches,
- has a weak chin
- Cant stop straight right hands or uppercuts,
- and is under progressing in the lateral movement department.
and this is when he said he wasnt ready for floyd....????
what did he improve???
thats my problem with him....
once again I dont blatey hate on Cotto.
I criticize him because, Everybody wants to make him something he is not.
And that is a Validated Great Fighter.
why is he great?
he doesnt suck, it just isnt great.
cotto is just not a great fighter yet imo, he is on the cusp. but he gets hit to much and swings too wide. and at this level you can not let top notch athletes hit an average on 20-35 times a round and expect to obtain the title of undisputed champion and last long, margarito just prove that.
When you got fighters who have the power to hurt you and knock you out.
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