..J.M. MARQUEZ: Better Than Chavez? Lopez?...

[THe TRiNiTY]

Chavez has just as many flaws as Ali did. The just had a kind of folk hero aura that just can't be explained or duplicated.

To a certain extent, I agree with that.

[Vasyl’s dad]

First of all, I said the douche bag thing because I was trying to get under your skin. I detracted because I thought it was ****** and not something that was needed.

Nonetheless, you caught it before I made the change. That's fine.

As far as hating Chavez, I don't. Good fighter. But, overrated by Mexicans. Underrated by non-Mexicans. I just happen to think Lopez is better. And I happen to think Marquez has a very good chance to become better as well. You seem like the type of fan who just likes MUCH different styles of fighters than I do. That's fine.

Thats fine, and I appreciate you manning up on your moment of clarity.

Its the internet loco, I don't get riled up over that ****.

Overrated, no. The dude had solid skills, legendary fights, achievements and all.


Its hard to place any Mexican over him when he didn't get knocked down, or lose until much later in his career. Others may have had better overall skills, but don't come close to what he did in the ring.

[pistol whip]

However, it is bad when the fans get so hyped by that ONE style that they underappreciate the attempts at good technical skill and boo the guy out of the building for being smart.

I agree but I also can't blame fans that live in a third world country like mexico. Their entire culture is based on how hard of a man you can be so it's not suprising that it transfers over to their sports.

[Eric Holder]

I don't know if you noticed but the sterotypical mexican fighters have become harder and harder to find beacause Mexico has started to produced fighters that are more dedicated to Technical perfection rather than sheer brutality.

Jhonny Gonzalez is a perfect example of this

[KJB]

I would say Salvador Sanchez.
Julio Cesar Chavez and Ricardo Lopez are also well above him.
He could conceivably crack my top three, not likely though considering his age and mileage.

[pistol whip]

To a certain extent, I agree with that.

Chavez was just in the right place at the right time and honestly it was fun cheering for him as a kid.

But as agrown up I kinda see how flawed he was and also resent the fact that he turned into an ego maniac later in his career.

[THe TRiNiTY]

Thats fine, and I appreciate you manning up on your moment of clarity.

Its the internet loco, I don't get riled up over that ****.

Overrated, no. The dude had solid skills, legendary fights, achievements and all.


Its hard to place any Mexican over him when he didn't get knocked down, or lose until much later in his career. Others may have had better overall skills, but don't come close to what he did in the ring.

I think he is (overrated, to an extent). I think a fighter getting knocked down can be a good thing. It shows that he doesn't let it fluster him. Shows that he can step on the gas and try even harder, losing a point and all. You gotta have a decent chin, but if you can take a punch, you're good.

He had solid skills, great fights and was a legendary figure, but that doesn't automatically make up for better technical skills, better opposition and if Marquez wins a title at 140, he's a FOUR division belt holder. Something no other Mexican has been able to accomplish.

[Vasyl’s dad]

I think he is (overrated, to an extent). I think a fighter getting knocked down can be a good thing. It shows that he doesn't let it fluster him. Shows that he can step on the gas and try even harder, losing a point and all. You gotta have a decent chin, but if you can take a punch, you're good.

He had solid skills, great fights and was a legendary figure, but that doesn't automatically make up for better technical skills, better opposition and if Marquez wins a title at 140, he's a FOUR division belt holder. Something no other Mexican has been able to accomplish.

Well, imo, its not about better technical skills because that doesn't always win fights.

Are you saying Marquez has fought better competition than Chavez?

[Steak]

Chavez was just in the right place at the right time and honestly it was fun cheering for him as a kid.

But as agrown up I kinda see how flawed he was and also resent the fact that he turned into an ego maniac later in his career.

the only flaws that Chavez had was that he was bad against volume/combination punchers and that he started slow often. thats about it.

right place at the right time? its not like he was able to pick off fading legends and steal their limelight. he started humbly and beat the hell out of the top fighters until he gained respect.
how is that possibly right place at the right time?

[Vasyl’s dad]

the only flaws that Chavez had was that he was bad against volume/combination punchers and that he started slow often. thats about it.

right place at the right time? its not like he was able to pick off fading legends and steal their limelight. he started humbly and beat the hell out of the top fighters until he gained respect.
how is that possibly right place at the right time?

Sometimes I don't think people realize who Chavez beat.