If Manny Pacquiao Beats Hatton, Mayweather, & Cotto = Fighter of the Decade?

[mikemurni]

Then you cannot take away Pac's win against EM just because he was weight drained. And FYI, Corralles fought PBF at 130.. He moved up at 135 after a 2 year layoff from the sport.

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;4660046]

Pac doesnt hold any titles right now and he sure as hell doesn't own three belts from three divisions at the same time like Armstrong did. Not even close. I tried to make that clear in my last post but you can keep lying to yourself if you want to.

[QUOTE=joseph5620;4660112]

Armstrong beat the champions in three different weight classes. You're comparison is truly ignorant.

the closest anyone has come to the armstrong record. is that better now. Beat marquez for the super featherweight title, beat diaz for the lightweight title, and beat delahoya at welterweight.

[silip03]

P4P all time top 10.

1. Money "Pacman" Pacquiao
2. Sugar ray Robinson
3. Casius Clay
4. Archie Moore
5. Joe lewis
6. Marvin Hagler
7. Sugar Ray Leonard
8. Evander Holyfield
9. Roberto Duran
10. Jack Johnson

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;4660141]

The difference is I'm only comparing Mayweather to Paquiao. When I start saying Mayweather's accomplishments are equal to Armstrongs(like you are doing with Pac), then you can talk.

im not comparing pac to armstrong. he is only the second person to win bouts in three different divisions in a year. thats the comparison, nothing else.

[joseph5620]

You can only make your case against the third Morales fight.. And Pac fought EM the third time because he was obligated to. Here judge for yourself....

November 2003 (MAB vs Pac, Pac TKO 11)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #3 in the P4P list
- Ring Magazine champ at 126.
- Coming from a string of successive victories against A-Level Fighters (Morales, Tapia, Kelley, Hamed)..
Ring Magazine (May 2003 Issue):
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2002

May 2004 (JMM vs Pac, Draw)
Before the fight: JMM was
- not yet in the P4P list because of no significant fights against top quality fighters
- Ring #1 Featherweight contender behind Pac.
Ring Magazine (May 2004 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2003

Mar 2005 (EM vs Pac, EM by UD)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #2 at 130 behind MAB (Ring Belt was vacant)
- ranked #8 in the P4P list
Ring Magazine (May 2005 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2004

Jan 2006 (EM vs Pac, Pac by KO 10)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #2 at 130 behind MAB (Ring Belt was vacant)
- ranked #6 in the P4P list ( Pac was ranked higher in the P4P list because of EM’s loss against Raheem)
- the heavy favorite having beaten Pac in their first fight
Ring Magazine (April 2006 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2005

November 2006 (EM vs Pac, Pac by KO 3)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #3 in 130 behind MAB and Pac (Ring Belt was vacant, and JMM was still fighting at 126)
- Not ranked in the P4P list having lost 3 of his last 4 fights
Note: EM exercised his right for a rematch as indicated in the clause of the contract of their second fight. So Pac was obligated to fight EM for the 3rd time.
Quote: “Erik told me he wants to exercise the rematch clause because he knows he can beat Pacquiao,” promoter Bob Arum says.
‘http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...ntable&id=3033

October 2007 (MAB vs Pac, Pac by UD)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #3 behind MAB and Pac at 130 (Ring Belt was vacant)
- And prior to his close decision loss to JMM, MAB was still ranked #6 in the P4P list.
Ring Magazine (April 2007 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2006

Mar 2008 (JMM vs Pac, Pac by SD)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #2 behind Pac at 130 (Ring Belt was vacant)
- JMM was ranked in the top 5 of the P4P list. (Pac was #2 behind PBF)

The ratings don't mean a thing and they sure as hell don't always give you an indication of how good a fighter really is. Morales 1-2 record before fighting Pacquiao is better way to tell you he was not in his prime and if he was he would not have lost to Raheem.

[THRILLAinmanila]

If Pacman beats Hatton he will be the first fighter
in the HISTORY of boxing to be a 4-time Lineal
Champion (Flyweight, Featherweight, Superfeatherweight, Jr. Welterweight).

Not even Duran accomplished that.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4660167]

im not comparing pac to armstrong. he is only the second person to win bouts in three different divisions in a year. thats the comparison, nothing else.

I think Paul Williams might have done the same thing(147,154,160) but I'm not sure if it was all in one year. Either way, it's just as insignifigant when you look at the opponents. Pac's is only more impressive because he fought JMM. His opponent at 135 at the Delahoya fight were not great wins and certainly not the best in the division.

[JAB5239]

Manny was also outboxed by a past his prime Eric Morales. Something no one wants to talk about anymore. And Morales was completely washed up the other two times they fought. No one can seriously count those as big wins.

Morales was a p4p fighter the first Pacquiao fight and had just lost a close MD to fellow p4p'er, Barrera. The second, and especially third versions of Morales were faded, but Pac did what he had to do and destroyed him.

Barrera was also past his prime and that can't be ignored.

Barrera was a top 5 p4p fighter in 2003 who had only 2 years earlier destroyed Hamed in the biggest win of his career. In 2007 there were only 2 guys better than him at 130.....Manny and Marquez. This can also not be ignored my man.

He certainly wasn't better than Jose Luis Castillo or Diego Corrales when Mayweather fought them.

I disagree. Barrera was a better and more well rounded fighter than Castillo. Corrales, while having a huge heart, had no defense and no plan B.

His win over JMM is also questionable and not a defining win IMO.

I had Pac winning the second fight by 1 point, and I gave Marquez the 1st round, a round most scored for Manny. Both were close fights. But it has to be taken into consideration they were against one of the best p4p fighters on the planet.

The Hatton fight is his toughest fight yet IMO. I also think people are sleeping on Hatton as if this is a sure thing for Pacquiao.There might be some very surprised and disappointed fans here.

You may be right my friend. That said I think Pac beats him but won't be surprised if Hatton wins. Should be interesting.

Throw out the weight drained 35year old Delahoya. Either way, I rank Mayweather higher because he is unbeaten and has been more dominant in his fights.

I agree Floyd has been more dominant, but it has been against lesser fighters than Pacquiao has faced in my opinion. Doesn't really matter though. Fighter of the decade is a matter of opinion. You've got yours, which I respect, I got mine. Peace.

[mikemurni]

The ratings don't mean a thing and they sure as hell don't always give you an indication of how good a fighter really is. Morales 1-2 record before fighting Pacquiao is better way to tell you he was not in his prime and if he was he would not have lost to Raheem.

Those ratings are the status of EM, MAB, Pac, JMM during that time. If they were shot, they wouldn't be in the list. And that is not my opinion but of the journalist and experts who comes up with that list and whose words are far more credible than ours.. You are sayin that I should throw away their opinion and give a crap about yours... I told you in my previous post why EM did not lose so much face after that fight.. And for the record that before the Raheem fight, EM was ranked so high (#3) in the P4P list, that after the loss, his rep took a hit but was not enough to lose his standings in the P4P list.

And isn't PBF in his recent interview who told the press that one should only look at his record to prove his greatness.. Well, my last post is as black and white as it can get and no amount of reasoning from your point will change that.. Anything else would just make you contradict your favorite fighter's words...

[JAB5239]

lets just say he beats them all..where do you put Pac? GOAT?

Or everyone have decided that Robinson's accomplishhment is unsurpassable?

I don't think Robinsons accomplishments are unsurpassable, just unlikely to be surpassed. There are guys who may have been talented enough to do it, but there is to much money and ego today for a fighter to take on ALL the best at and around his weight. Robinson left nothing to speculate about, he beat everybody.