If Manny Pacquiao Beats Hatton, Mayweather, & Cotto = Fighter of the Decade?

[mikemurni]

You could make a case for Barrera the first time but no way in hell was Morales in his prime when when he fought Pacquiao. Take a look at Morales last 5 or 6 fights before Pacquiao if you don't beleve me.

You can only make your case against the third Morales fight.. And Pac fought EM the third time because he was obligated to. Here judge for yourself....

November 2003 (MAB vs Pac, Pac TKO 11)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #3 in the P4P list
- Ring Magazine champ at 126.
- Coming from a string of successive victories against A-Level Fighters (Morales, Tapia, Kelley, Hamed)..
Ring Magazine (May 2003 Issue):
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2002

May 2004 (JMM vs Pac, Draw)
Before the fight: JMM was
- not yet in the P4P list because of no significant fights against top quality fighters
- Ring #1 Featherweight contender behind Pac.
Ring Magazine (May 2004 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2003

Mar 2005 (EM vs Pac, EM by UD)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #2 at 130 behind MAB (Ring Belt was vacant)
- ranked #8 in the P4P list
Ring Magazine (May 2005 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2004

Jan 2006 (EM vs Pac, Pac by KO 10)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #2 at 130 behind MAB (Ring Belt was vacant)
- ranked #6 in the P4P list ( Pac was ranked higher in the P4P list because of EM’s loss against Raheem)
- the heavy favorite having beaten Pac in their first fight
Ring Magazine (April 2006 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2005

November 2006 (EM vs Pac, Pac by KO 3)
Before the fight: EM was
- ranked #3 in 130 behind MAB and Pac (Ring Belt was vacant, and JMM was still fighting at 126)
- Not ranked in the P4P list having lost 3 of his last 4 fights
Note: EM exercised his right for a rematch as indicated in the clause of the contract of their second fight. So Pac was obligated to fight EM for the 3rd time.
Quote: “Erik told me he wants to exercise the rematch clause because he knows he can beat Pacquiao,” promoter Bob Arum says.
‘http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&o...ntable&id=3033

October 2007 (MAB vs Pac, Pac by UD)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #3 behind MAB and Pac at 130 (Ring Belt was vacant)
- And prior to his close decision loss to JMM, MAB was still ranked #6 in the P4P list.
Ring Magazine (April 2007 Issue)
http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.ph..._Ratings:_2006

Mar 2008 (JMM vs Pac, Pac by SD)
Before the fight: MAB was
- ranked #2 behind Pac at 130 (Ring Belt was vacant)
- JMM was ranked in the top 5 of the P4P list. (Pac was #2 behind PBF)

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;4659668]

so you are basically saying that all his victories against hofs 6-1-1 was down to luck. you sound ****** to me.


I never used the word "luck." You look ****** for misquoting me. What I'm saying is I don't overrate his wins by swininging on his nuts like you do.



barrera was 3 p4p beat hamed, morales, kelly. and having barrera and morales on your resume is way better than corrales and castillo. they are not even hall of famers.

None of those fighters are in the hall of fame yet and if you think Barrera and Morales were in their primes, then you are in no position to call anybody "******". You also better take a look at the HOf and who is in there. You might be surprised by some of the fighters in there.


Achievment wise pac has a better record. better comp. equal to armstrong, and a flyweight.

I hope you're talking about Louie Armstrong because Pacs accomplishments are no where near Henry Armstrong's. When Pac holds three undisputed titles in three different weight classes at the same time, get back to me.

you are saying his victories over hofs 6-1-1 is overrated. i think you are ******

[hammerhiem]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4659901]

you are saying his victories over hofs 6-1-1 is overrated. i think you are ******

Over rated, no.

As good as Armstrongs, also no.

[TheGreatA]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4659901]

you are saying his victories over hofs 6-1-1 is overrated. i think you are ******

They're overrated if you rank him up there with Henry Armstrong who fought more than 10 hall of famers (most of them more than once).

Morales beat him in the first fight, then went onto lose to Zahir Raheem, came back down to 130 and looked like a skeleton with no legs under him.

Barrera was prime in the first fight (to date Pacquiao's best win IMO), past it for the rematch.

Marquez held him to a draw and lost a split decision that I personally thought he just edged over Pacquiao.

De La Hoya was a big win but he was washed up and weight-drained without a doubt (even Roach admitted this). Still a huge victory and a dominant performance for Pacquiao.

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=hammerhiem;4659909]

Over rated, no.

As good as Armstrongs, also no.

i didn't say he was good as armstrong. im saying taking into account his accomplishments compared to mayweather pacs is better.

better comp. fought from fly to welter. 3 divisions in a year ala armstrong.

[mikemurni]

[QUOTE=TheManchine;4659921]

They're overrated if you rank him up there with Henry Armstrong who fought more than 10 hall of famers (most of them more than once).

Morales beat him in the first fight, then went onto lose to Zahir Raheem, came back down to 130 and looked like a skeleton with no legs under him.

Barrera was prime in the first fight (to date Pacquiao's best win IMO), past it for the rematch.

Marquez held him to a draw and lost a split decision that I personally thought he just edged over Pacquiao.

De La Hoya was a big win but he was washed up and weight-drained without a doubt (even Roach admitted this). Still a huge victory and a dominant performance for Pacquiao.

Just because EM lost to Raheem does not mean he was shot or way past his prime. One only need to watch the fight to understand. EM was not significantly hurt in that fight, its just that Raheem was too slick plus EM was fightin at a weight (135) new to him where he cant use his size and reach advantage, which has worked for him in the past figtin at 130..Journalist understood this that's why even though his reputation took a hit, he was still included in the p4p list...

And if you are goin to bring up the weight issue, then you have to do the same for the Coralles/PBF fight.. Corales had to spend so much time in the sauna to make the 130 limit.. and at fight night, he came in at 20 pounds over 130, which means he was really weight drained. All fighters including Pac go through rigorous struggle in the weights before a fight...

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4659833]

first pac is going for his 4th lineal championship, which is the closest anyone will get to being undisputed in different weight classes. And you are blatantly a hater if you do not consider the morales and barrera wins as great accomplishments. pac beat morales aged 29, how is that way over the hill. pac is in his peak and he is 30.

Pac doesnt hold any titles right now and he sure as hell doesn't own three belts from three divisions at the same time like Armstrong did. Not even close. I tried to make that clear in my last post but you can keep lying to yourself if you want to.

[fcastro1]

[QUOTE=joseph5620;4660046]

Pac doesnt hold any titles right now and he sure as hell doesn't own three belts from three divisions at the same time like Armstrong did. Not even close. I tried to make that clear in my last post but you can keep lying to yourself if you want to.

keep lying to yourself if you think pacs victories over hofs is overrated and that mayweather has accomplished more!

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4659938]

i didn't say he was good as armstrong. im saying taking into account his accomplishments compared to mayweather pacs is better.

better comp. fought from fly to welter. 3 divisions in a year ala armstrong.

Armstrong beat the champions in three different weight classes. Your comparison is truly ignorant.

[joseph5620]

[QUOTE=fcastro1;4660082]

keep lying to yourself if you think pacs victories over hofs is overrated and that mayweather has accomplished more!

The difference is I'm only comparing Mayweather to Paquiao. When I start saying Mayweather's accomplishments are equal to Armstrongs(like you are doing with Pac), then you can talk.