Who could have beaten Mosley at LW?

[!! Shawn]

You really can't because you have to see if they do it again and again, 1 minute of footage doesn't tell you much of anything, it takes at least a full fight to see what do right and what they do wrong on a consistent basis for me.

Thats just a difference of opinion. I see everything I need in a min, doesn't mean I don't watch more, but you can see everything you need in that time.

I watch everything I can get my hands on, all it does is lead to a more intricate prediction like what punches will have the most effect, and what kinds of punches bother a fighter, but that is just sugar. I only need 1 min to determine how two fighters will mesh.

I see you do not seem to be dis*****g my analysis though. You are learning

[craftynoob08]

COMMON GUYS. LETS GET SERIOUS.

Floyd beats him at 135 with ease.

[Silencers]

Thats just a difference of opinion. I see everything I need in a min, doesn't mean I don't watch more, but you can see everything you need in that time.

I watch everything I can get my hands on, all it does is lead to a more intricate prediction like what punches will have the most effect, and what kinds of punches bother a fighter, but that is just sugar. I only need 1 min to determine how two fighters will mesh.

I see you do not seem to be dis*****g my analysis though. You are learning

We'll agree to disagree.

I actually didn't want to dispute your analysis because I don't think you can dissect a great fighter like Benny Leonard in 10 minutes of grainy footage, I've seen more than 10 minutes of footage and I don't dissect him because it'll probably be inaccurate, you just can't dissect a fighter accurately without seeing them fight a full fight but as I said, we'll just agree to disagree.

[!! Shawn]

Ray Arcel, one of the greatest trainers of all time, concurs on Leonard’s ability to out-think his opponent’s, Peter Heller's In The Corner, “Boxing is brains over brawn. I don’t care how much ability you got, if you can’t think your just another bum in the park. People ask me who’s the greatest boxer I ever saw pound for pound. I hesitate to say, either Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson. But Leonard’s mental energy surpassed anyone else’s.”

I gotta say with all due respect, I think Ray Arcels opinion holds more water that yours. This is from a man who actually saw him fight live. Many times.

I never said he wasn't smart. He is clearly a very clever fighter, but you can only do so much with the tools he had at his disposal.

I tend to disregard the opinions of "'experts" I don't need people to tell me how a fighter fought or how well he fought or how smart he was. I am perfectly capable of watching said fighter fight and determine how good they are for myself. Also, as Angelo Dundee once said. "Trainers are the biggest bums in the world" "Everything my guy does is always great, and everything the other guys does is nothing."

[El Jesus]

You never seen Mosley fight at 135. Your opinion is dismissed.

i have, and he makes the same mistakes today that he made then, there just wasnt anyone really at that time to exploit them.

[deemo]

i have always thought shane would beat floyd at any weight.

[KostyaTszyu44]

Benny Leonard.

have to respectfully disagree here man


he was a great fighter for his time, but nah he wouldnt be able to compete with more modern guys like mosley

(im not ****ting on all old time fighters, i think semi older guys like ray robinson, henry armstrong, joe louis would have done great today)

but guys from the 20's etc like leonard would have been ****ing murdered today

[El Dominicano]

COMMON GUYS. LETS GET SERIOUS.

Floyd beats him at 135 with ease.

I agree Floyd would beat him but NOT with ease. No way

[Silencers]

have to respectfully disagree here man


he was a great fighter for his time, but nah he wouldnt be able to compete with more modern guys like mosley

(im not ****ting on all old time fighters, i think semi older guys like ray robinson, henry armstrong, joe louis would have done great today)

but guys from the 20's etc like leonard would have been ****ing murdered today

As I said, I haven't seen too much of him so I'm not too sure but by all accounts and from what I've seen he was one of the greatest of all time, I think he should at least be given a chance at beating Mosley.

[JAB5239]

We'll agree to disagree.

I actually didn't want to dispute your analysis because I don't think you can dissect a great fighter like Benny Leonard in 10 minutes of grainy footage, I've seen more than 10 minutes of footage and I don't dissect him because it'll probably be inaccurate, you just can't dissect a fighter accurately without seeing them fight a full fight but as I said, we'll just agree to disagree.

It is impossible to accurately analyze film fom that era because of the missing frames. It simply doesn't allow you to see everything and gives you a false perception of what you are seeing. The Manchine proved this when he posted a video of Vitaly Klitchsko with that era type of film. It looked nothing like him at all. Why is it so hard for some people to understand that fighters from that era didn't fight exactly like what they see? This is why professional opinions such as Arcels are so important. He actually saw him fight and can accurately compare him.