Who could have beaten Mosley at LW?

[TCAV Promotions]

somewhat but so much ignorance on this site...

shane should be considered the best lightweight of all time.

"not of this time or that time. but of all time."- floyd sr.

[TheGreatA]

somewhat but so much ignorance on this site...

shane should be considered the best lightweight of all time.

"not of this time or that time. but of all time."- floyd sr.

Why? .

[!! Shawn]

Than answer me this....why did Harry Wills, a man who never got his shot because of prejudice call Benny Leonard, a white ***ish man, the greatest little fighter he ever saw? Was he remembering the good times?

Thats fine, he never saw Shane Mosley, never saw Roberto Duran either.

[TheGreatA]

Why? .

Because of his wins over Phillip Holiday, Golden Johnson, John John Molina and Jesse James Leija?



Even a boxer like George Araujo who no one even knows about has a better LW resume with wins over Sandy Saddler, Joe Brown and Paddy DeMarco.

[!! Shawn]

Why? .

He has no reason. Shane doesn't have a legitimate claim to being better than either Duran or Whitaker, but he is a damn good fighter, that would give both of them hell.

[Miburo]

Very good boxers (Whitaker, probably Mayweather) or superior (skilled) brawlers (Duran, etc.). Mosley is more of a slugger than a really skilled fighter.

[JAB5239]

[QUOTE]

I'd wager that 99% of the people on this site picked Margarito to beat Shane Mosley.

I'd take that bet, I know I didn't.

Id love to hear your argument for how different film angles change a fighters ability.

I never said it changes a fighters ability. What it does do is give you more and better vantage points to guage that ability.

Anyways, I am done arguing with you because you have started to abandon facts argue semantics and present bad examples.

Really? So Harry Wills was a bad example? Arcel, Fliesher and other boxing historians and people from that time are bad examples? I find it humorous that youb think your opinion is more valid than theirs and many other of even today.

Your Charlie Chaplin example was just awful. You completely ignored the fact that Charlie Chaplins movies were EDITED for comic effect. Chaplin continued to produce movies will into the age of color film.

The 1920's were not the age of hand cranked cameras. Consistent shutter speed had long since been established, and hand cranks were only used for maintaining spring tension.
Just an FYI Circle Inside a Box uploads all of his fights encoded at 24fps. So if you are DLing any fights, you might want to stay away from his. They probably don't live up to his standards.

This is all blah, blah, blah, and you are getting off track. Nothing you can say will change the fact that film quality back than was much, much poorer than today making difficult to truly study the fighters of that time.

[Silencers]

Bad post. Its easy to analyze film of that era. Its not as bad as people like to make it seem. The fighters do not look worse than they really are, they were just that sloppy.

Film has always recorded the same damn thing, exactly what it sees through the lens; no less, no more.

In fact, I would say that some of these old films are even more watchable than some of the overly compressed modern fights available for download.

I would honestly like you to point out one deficiency in the footage I provided that would lead you to inaccurately judge either fighter.



Go on... One thing wrong with the film quality that would lead you to believe you are missing something.

The films of that era are nowhere near as good as today's, it makes fighters look much worse than they are. The films of fighters in 1920s were worse than the films of fighters in the 1950s and the films of fighters in the 50s are not very good either, the films of the 50s are not as good as the 80s and some of the film from the 80s can be pretty bad by today's standards too. Anyways, there's again no point in going round and round about this, we'll just agree to disagree.

[JAB5239]

Because of his wins over Phillip Holiday, Golden Johnson, John John Molina and Jesse James Leija?



Even a boxer like George Araujo who no one even knows about has a better LW resume with wins over Sandy Saddler, Joe Brown and Paddy DeMarco.

Aroujo was from my home town. My father knew him.

[Jim Jeffries]

Because of his wins over Phillip Holiday, Golden Johnson, John John Molina and Jesse James Leija?



Even a boxer like George Araujo who no one even knows about has a better LW resume with wins over Sandy Saddler, Joe Brown and Paddy DeMarco.

I think Phillip Holiday was a pretty decent win, John John Molina's best work was at SFW, but it was still a decent win. Obviously Shane's best work came later, and who knows how effective he would've been had he stayed at LW, or if he'd had the opportunity to face better opposition.

Heads up I think he gives most LWs problems though.