Better legacy. Marciano or Mayweather Jr?

[Benny Leonard]

Two wins over Ezzard Charles and Two wins over Jersey Joe Walcott. Floyd could fight till he is 50 and not come close to topping that.

Ezzard Charles started his career at MW, and was known as Great LH in his prime. By the time he got to Marciano, how many defeats did Charles have at the time and how many times had he been knocked out and by who?
Mental Status: Accoding to Sugar, he wasn't the same fighter after killing someone in the ring.

Walcott: According to Bert Sugar, he was known as a journeyman for a long time. They guy was knocked out by Abe Simon way before Marciano got to him. Abe Simon was the guy that was knocked out by a prime Joe Louis.
And while we are talking about Louis, a Past Prime Joe Louis knocked Walcott out before Marciano got to him.

Forget the Names; look at where they were in their careers when Marciano faced them.

[Benny Leonard]

Getting a title is definetely easier today than it was in the old days. Back in the day you could almost always be certain that the champion was the baddest man on the planet. It isn't like that today. Baldomir was probably never considered the best even by the most fanatic and he held the linear title. Same as nobody would say Zsolt Erdei is the best LHW.

The era of Marciano wasn't the best of times for the HW's that's right, but he still beat Charles, Walcott (who both had a lot left)and several no. 1 contenders (I think ****ell and more were no.1). Of course Joe Louis wasn't the force he was in his championship years, but he had still racked up 8-10 straight wins before Marciano ended his career.

Patterson wasn't a force at the time Rocky retired. There was definetely no public outcry for Rocky to fight him before retirering since Patterson fought at LHW back then. We all know Mayweather had Cotto, Margarito and unfinished business with Oscar.

Go down the list by using this:

How old was each opponent: Charles, Waclott, Moore, and Louis

Wear and tear; how many tough fights were they in?
times they were knocked down; losses, and losses by KO, etc.?


Joe Louis was way past his prime so we can take that name off. Even Marciano knew it which is why he didn't want to fight him.

Mayweather's legacy will be under 147.

Judging him on 147+ is a bit unfair given his size in this case since we are talking about Marciano who never fought one legit threat that was over 200 pounds and young.

Plus, Mob influence back then.

[BattlingNelson]

Go down the list by using this:

How old was each opponent: Charles, Waclott, Moore, and Louis

Wear and tear; how many tough fights were they in?
times they were knocked down; losses, and losses by KO, etc.?


Joe Louis was way past his prime so we can take that name off. Even Marciano knew it which is why he didn't want to fight him.

Mayweather's legacy will be under 147.

Judging him on 147+ is a bit unfair given his size in this case since we are talking about Marciano who never fought one legit threat that was over 200 pounds and young.

Plus, Mob influence back then.

Regarding Mayweather there's no question that his best run was below 147. But he grew into 147 and fought his last 5 fights there (DLH at 154) so he's definetely a WW now. I dont like that he retired without fighting the obvious threaths. His resume at 147 is not outstanding by any means, but he had (and has) the possibility to to make it great.

[Flawless.]

Regarding Mayweather there's no question that his best run was below 147. But he grew into 147 and fought his last 5 fights there (DLH at 154) so he's definetely a WW now. I dont like that he retired without fighting the obvious threaths. His resume at 147 is not outstanding by any means, but he had (and has) the possibility to to make it great.

What do you mean he grew into a WW??? What is the meaning of natural weight to you?? Mayweather weighs 148 at WW. Pacman at 135 fight night is 147 and at 147 fight night he is 148. Did Pacman grow into a WW??

[13th Lord]

Without a doubt it's Marciano.
Floyd retired in his prime.

[Abstraction]

Hard to say.

Mayweather was the better fighter, that goes without saying.

Better "Legacy"?

"Legacy" is a difficult, strange and pretty ****** thing when it comes to Boxing. One guy maye rate two fighters, but one more than the other. Another person may rate one of those fighters, but compltley frown at the other fighter. One guy may say their both not very good. Does that mean he is not very good?

Their both good in their own ways.
Mayweather beat more Opponenets Prime v Prime, who were World Class.

Marciano obviously lacks this, beating no World Class opponent Prime v Prime.
Another note is he struggled against every fighter (6 in total) who were above the modern day CW limit. So had he fought other HW such as Ali, Foreman, Liston, Tyson to name a few, he would probably have lost.

So in my books, Mayweather has left a bigger impact. But Marciano is still a taltend boxer, and undefeated i guess is something, even it if it was against bums and ashed up opponenets, atleast he never ducked anyway, unlike certain British undefeated "champion".

[Benny Leonard]

Regarding Mayweather there's no question that his best run was below 147. But he grew into 147 and fought his last 5 fights there (DLH at 154) so he's definetely a WW now. I dont like that he retired without fighting the obvious threaths. His resume at 147 is not outstanding by any means, but he had (and has) the possibility to to make it great.

How did he grow into 147? The kid weighed 149 by fight-time while everybody else was about +9 pounds over that. If anything, 149 is the usual fight-time weight of a JrWW; it's Ricky Hatton's weight for example...or better yet, Pac's weight of 147 by fight time when he fought at 135 (division) was closer to Floyd than what Margarito was by fight-time.

The big thing I had against Mayweather at 147 was that he said he was the best at 147, then ripped the likes of SRR and SRL, yet he was the one that didn't fight the best in the division (147) that he said he was the best at.

But, we can say why he moved up to the bigger weight division: O$car. Just like Pac who never had any intention to fight the best at 147 but would fight a past prime Oscar; Floyd did the same except Floyd had to fight Oscar at a healthier weight of 154.

[Flawless.]

Marciano considered a comeback in 1959 when Ingemar Johansson won the heavyweight championship from Floyd Patterson on June 26, 1959. After only a month of training in 3 years, Marciano decided against it and never seriously considered a comeback again

Why did he consider a comeback against Johansson not Patterson

[Testdead]

Yeah welcome to the world of Darkstar.

The world where Mayorga is a great fighter, Joe Calzaghe is a God, Roy Jones and Mayweather are garbage and Rocky Marciano is the greatest heavy of all time cause he KOed the corpse of Archie.

Good ****.

LOL.

Jones and Mayweather are the most overhyped fighters alive.

Worst of all from you. Jones beat bums stepped up lost and Mayweather beat old Oscar he and Cortez tag teamed Hatton and lost to Castillo.

[DiegoFuego]

Regarding Mayweather there's no question that his best run was below 147. But he grew into 147 and fought his last 5 fights there (DLH at 154) so he's definetely a WW now. I dont like that he retired without fighting the obvious threaths. His resume at 147 is not outstanding by any means, but he had (and has) the possibility to to make it great.

LOL I don't think you know anything about weight and boxing. How do you GROW into a weight class when you show up on fight night barely even weighing 147? Mayweather is no welterweight and never came close to growing into one. WTF is this "growing into welterweight" trash?