Duran is not a top ten ATG

[The Jackal]

Duran top 5

Yes people will find ways to cut Duran He started 118 at i6 was sparring guys 154 & 160 he had great wins to set up a make or break fight with Ernesto Marcel the pressure couldn't have been greater on him to produce he stopped Marcel a guy nobody ever did Marcel went on to be champ in the Feathers etc besting the 1 & only Alexis Arguello.
Then Duran learnt the way a fighter should working & ironing out what was bad then he faced another good fighter Kyobashi former champ he beat with a clever display of boxing & punching his jab helped a lot then he took out a great boxer in Ken Buchanan had great movement & amateur pedigree & had beat Laguna twice no whooping boy Duran destroyed him with a strategy designed to break his heart in 34 fights as champ he was beaten once by De Jesus which he then best in a rematch as champ getting off the mat to do so display of punching broke him up then KO'D him he destroyed everything in the Lightweights finally becoming undisputed champ with a brill boxing display over De Jesus in the rubber match.
Then Moved up 12lbs to take on former champ Carlos Palomino another excellent boxing display then Montreal nobody said he could do it Leonard was a giant compared to him he moved up 12lbs into the best P4P fighters weight took him on & beat him fair & square all thought Leonard has to be given credit for his part in that fight but people forget that Duran jumped Junior-welter & took on the big boys he had great wins in his 30s when most fighters would be shot again no one gave him a chance but he beat Moore & Barkley 2 great displays of boxing his highly underrated as a defencive fighter took a shot off Barkley that would put Cruisers out came back with that snare talking & throwing punches people do remember that in the 70s P4P he was the best in the world in the 80S he was getting old but still produced great performance's even when he was 45 he was robbed against Hector Camacho great movement for a 45 year old Duran there be no question his the top 5 the fighter of ATG his achievements tell that.

Robinson-1
Henry Armstrong-2
Willie Pep-3
Muhammad Ali-4
Roberto Duran-5

[wpink1]

Yes people will find ways to cut Duran He started 118 at i6 was sparring guys 154 & 160 he had great wins to set up a make or break fight with Ernesto Marcel the pressure couldn't have been greater on him to produce he stopped Marcel a guy nobody ever did Marcel went on to be champ in the Feathers etc besting the 1 & only Alexis Arguello.
Then Duran learnt the way a fighter should working & ironing out what was bad then he faced another good fighter Kyobashi former champ he beat with a clever display of boxing & punching his jab helped a lot then he took out a great boxer in Ken Buchanan had great movement & amateur pedigree & had beat Laguna twice no whooping boy Duran destroyed him with a strategy designed to break his heart in 34 fights as champ he was beaten once by De Jesus which he then best in a rematch as champ getting off the mat to do so display of punching broke him up then KO'D him he destroyed everything in the Lightweights finally becoming undisputed champ with a brill boxing display over De Jesus in the rubber match.
Then Moved up 12lbs to take on former champ Carlos Palomino another excellent boxing display then Montreal nobody said he could do it Leonard was a giant compared to him he moved up 12lbs into the best P4P fighters weight took him on & beat him fair & square all thought Leonard has to be given credit for his part in that fight but people forget that Duran jumped Junior-welter & took on the big boys he had great wins in his 30s when most fighters would be shot again no one gave him a chance but he beat Moore & Barkley 2 great displays of boxing his highly underrated as a defencive fighter took a shot off Barkley that would put Cruisers out came back with that snare talking & throwing punches people do remember that in the 70s P4P he was the best in the world in the 80S he was getting old but still produced great performance's even when he was 45 he was robbed against Hector Camacho great movement for a 45 year old Duran there be no question his the top 5 the fighter of ATG his achievements tell that.

Robinson-1
Henry Armstrong-2
Willie Pep-3
Muhammad Ali-4
Roberto Duran-5

It is post like this, that leave out the actual facts, and only paint a biased, onsided and historical view of a great fighter but, leaves out that there are many many many that have done what duran has done FACTUALLY, and more, vs better fighters..

1 "started 118 at i6 was sparring guys 154 & 160 he had great wins". What a totally unintelligent post. Hmmm how much did Ray leonard, or Roy Jones weight when they where 16. Yes duran was fighting professionally and ray leoanrd was fighting amateurs. However, Duran was fighting fighters with out a trainer, and these fighters where HORRIBLE, the equivilant of amateurs. FACTS...

Duran was sparring guys 154 and 160. So what. Many fighters spar with much bigger fighters. How many fights did Duran fight at 118? Did he fight for the championship there, or was this just his weight when he started, and thus he truly started fighting meaningful fights at 130 and 135..Hmm I suggest you do your research, before posting such ****** stuff.

Marcel,,a make or break fight. What was soo great about a fighter who had a record at the time they fought of 24-2-1. Marcel may have beaten arguello, but Duran didnt. Lets see vilomar Fernandez beat Arguello and so did Jorge Reyes. So based on this rational, a fighter by the name of Danny Lopes is great since he beat Jorge Reyes after Reyes beat Arguello. Marcel was nothing more than a decent fighter. Amazing that Duran supporters have to dig down and get fighters like Marcel to justify his greatness, when Leoanrd had wins over fighters 10 times better, Mayweather and Jones they did too, but Duran beat fighters like Marcel, buchanon, Kyobashi etc..and you all are on here hyping these average to good fighters up, like they wehre a hearns or a hagler. You dont even mention fighters like that that Ray leoanrd beat. How many times do we brag about ray stepping up and beating Kalule, or Lalond to justify his greatness.

Buchanon is a very good fighter. Was he better than Hatton? Was he anybetter than Davey Boy Green, maybe so. Was Buchanon, Marcel, Kyobashi, any of these in anyones top 100? How can you rant and rave about these fighters justifying placing duran in top 5 when these are simply fighters duran should have beaten. Durans lightweight career was dominant, no doubt, but how many fights did duran fight vs fighters with losing records, even after he was champion. Are you and others going to continue to ignore the facts, or ignore these questions. And just say Duran was the best because..etc..etc..etc..

Duran did move up and beat Leoanrd. That is the crown ***el in his cap. I think that alone with his dominant career at lightweight allows us to rank him as a top fighter. But not top 5, no where near it.

You then go on to hype up his wins vs barkly and Camacho and moore. Which one of these fighters where great? How many beatiings had each of these fighters taken before duran faced them, except for Moore who had a whooping record of hmmmm 12-0. 12 fights. Remind you of leon spinks when he beat ali, then a shot 40 yr old ali came back next time and beat him easily. 12 fights...wow, and this is a great achievement, is nt more like taking candy from a baby.

Suggestions..Help me understand who Duran beat that equals the quality of fighter(s) plural not just one name, but many that leoanrd, Mayweather beat.

Help me understand how Duran should be ranked ahead of Roy Jones who dominanted the middleweight division and beat 2 top fighters all time, not just one, and beat 23 champions past, present, and a future..18 world champions, and did not legitimally lose a fight until age 35, when he had destroyed his body due to rapid muscle and weight loss. Roy also moved up to win a fight at heavyweight vs a figher the equavalent of Barkley.

Help me understand how Duran should be considered better than dlh (who i think is overrated), mosley, mayweather, leoanrd, jones, etc..all who moved up in weight classes too, but did not have a record of 1-5 vs the best fighters they faced and being stopped all before age 33...hmmm but duran is supposed to be better...?

WHAT EXACTLY HAS DURAN DONE, AND WHO HAS HE BEAT

Funny this poster leaves out that Duran got his ass whipped repeatedly by the best fighters he faces, all BEFORE HE TURNED 33. Hmmmm

[The Noose]

Duran is rated in the top 10 ATG by almost every boxing writer in the world.

Duran gave Hagler more trouble than 99% of his middleweight opponents. He moved from LW to WW to beat a prime Leaonard, one of the greatest fighters ever.

People also forget his great wins over Palomino and Cuevas well aafter his prime.

[The Jackal]

Duran is rated in the top 10 ATG by almost every boxing writer in the world.

Duran gave Hagler more trouble than 99% of his middleweight opponents. He moved from LW to WW to beat a prime Leaonard, one of the greatest fighters ever.

People also forget his great wins over Palomino and Cuevas well aafter his prime.

Good point man he fought a great fight against a very strong Hagler even Carlos Monzon said it if people understood the pressure Duran was under against Cuevas etc to produce they'd know how great he was he should be remembered as a complete fighter boxer long after his prime he was beating guys like Davey Moore & Iran Barkley & he beat the best of the time Leonard which no 1 said he would but he believed & won with a round to spare didn't fight the last he said knew he had it won Palomino was a great display he dropped him an all Benitez didn't do that Duran did P4P best fighter of the 70s & 5th on the ATG list P4P.

[TheGreatA]

I am not at all of the belief that black fighters are superior to whites or latino. However, duran got his ass whipped repeatedly when he faced black boxers. Repeatedly.

Marcel, DeJesus, Leonard the first time, Moore, Barkley...

Secondly again none of you can refute the list that I have posted regarding his top wins, and how (with the exception of SRL) those wins are nothing special. Marcel, Buchanon..they may have been good fighter but nothing great. Hell who is Buchanon, does any list have him on it, other than the Durans opponent list, for those trying to justify Duran's greatness.

The British seem to rate him:

http://www.thering-online.com/blog/1...rs_of_alltime/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/4107884.stm

[TheGreatA]

Barkley had two wins over Thomas Hearns, Marcel had a win over Alexis Arguello, Davey Moore had wins over Ayub Kalule and Wilfred Benitez...

This doesn't prove they were better than Benitez, Arguello, Hearns, but it does prove that they were very good fighters.

You act as if they were complete nobodies and only Hearns, Hagler, Leonard were worth anything. Having a couple of losses in your record doesn't mean you're a bum.

Davey Boy Green and Danny Lalonde do not compare to these fighters even though they may have had better looking records.

It all depends on how you rank fighters. Many like Duran's amazing longevity in the sport over Leonard's couple of great wins during his short prime.

[Brandish]

Duran is rated in the top 10 ATG by almost every boxing writer in the world.

Duran gave Hagler more trouble than 99% of his middleweight opponents. He moved from LW to WW to beat a prime Leaonard, one of the greatest fighters ever.

People also forget his great wins over Palomino and Cuevas well aafter his prime.

you can rate duran #1p4p if you want to but you will get trashed if you don't have facts to back it up.

giving hagler a good fight doesn't rank you above hagler (only a duran fan would do something so ******) hagler beats duran but duran somehow is the better fighter

palomino and cuevas were on the slide when duran fought them that is a fact you seem to leave out. and he did not jump from lightweight to welterweight he had been fighting at 147 for 2 years before he fought leonard

[Brandish]

Barkley had two wins over Thomas Hearns, Marcel had a win over Alexis Arguello, Davey Moore had wins over Ayub Kalule and Wilfred Benitez...

This doesn't prove they were better than Benitez, Arguello, Hearns, but it does prove that they were very good fighters.

You act as if they were complete nobodies and only Hearns, Hagler, Leonard were worth anything. Having a couple of losses in your record doesn't mean you're a bum.

Davey Boy Green and Danny Lalonde do not compare to these fighters even though they may have had better looking records.

ray leonard's career wasn't based on beating lalonde and davey boy like duran's is on barkely and moore.

duran did jack after winning titles so don't expect me to give him a pass

[TheGreatA]

ray leonard's career wasn't based on beating lalonde and davey boy like duran's is on barkely and moore.

duran did jack after winning titles so don't expect me to give him a pass

I never said it was.

wpink bringing them up as notable wins for Leonard only shows that there is not much depth to Leonard's record beyond his four great wins. Duran on the other had many solid wins over the years which you like to discard as 'not great'.

Duran spent a decade at the top and a decade after competing against the top. Leonard was on top for about 3 years because his prime was unfortunately cut short.

giving hagler a good fight doesn't rank you above hagler (only a duran fan would do something so ******) hagler beats duran but duran somehow is the better fighter

Duran was an all time great lightweight, Leonard was an all time great welterweight, Hearns was an all time great light middleweight, Hagler was an all time great middleweight. Head-to-head results shouldn't determine how we rank them in p4p lists.

Roberto Duran height 5'7, reach 66", prime weight 135 lbs
Ray Leonard height 5'10, reach 74", prime weight 147 lbs
Thomas Hearns height 6'1, reach 78", prime weight 147-154 lbs
Marvin Hagler height 5'10, reach 75", prime weight 160 lbs

[wpink1]

overrated

Duran is rated in the top 10 ATG by almost every boxing writer in the world.

Duran gave Hagler more trouble than 99% of his middleweight opponents. He moved from LW to WW to beat a prime Leaonard, one of the greatest fighters ever.

People also forget his great wins over Palomino and Cuevas well aafter his prime.

And so are fighters that many of these sports writers never even seen with their own eyes. Greb, Pep, and some others.... Many simple give some fighters respect cause other people do.

Now for your post....Since when is a fighter given credit as being a all time top fighter for simply giving another fighter trouble. Fact is he lost to Hagler.

Yes he beat Leonard. Funny how you all give him credit for beating dejeuse the 2nd and third fights, and do not discuss the 1st fight...THEN... you all compleltly about face and give Duran credit for the 1st leonard fight, and disregard the 2nd and 3td leoanrd fight... Wow. Now I dont put too much credibility into the 3rd Leonard and Duran fight myself, but to hear Duran fans put it, there was only one duran -Leonard fight.

Beating Pamilino and Moore was nothing but a win over two b+ fighters. Moore only had 12 fights total at the time. Pamino had several losses including to andy price...Are we suggesting Price is a all time great.

The machine...get your facts straight..I am not bringing up kalule and Lalond as reasons to support Ray...I am merely pointing out how weak your list of acccomplishments that truly elevate Duran over others is... We dont brag on the kalule's and the Lalonds..Those are merely champions that Leoanrd beat, that he should have beaten to justify him being a great fighter, but to deserve all time great status above duran..Leonard beat Duran, Hagler, hearns, Benetiz....Duran beat...hmmm Leonard. That is it.. Save the weak garbage lines about he moved up,,,so did everyone else. Save the weak garbage lines about he was past his prime..hmm I am only measuring duran to abouit the age of 34, along the same lines as we measure everyone else. Based on fair comparisons, and quality of wins..not beating 40 bums, 25 okay fighters, 5 very good fighters, 1 great, and getting beaten repeatedly by the best fighters in that era...No this is not a resume of top 10 ATG, name another fighter in the top 10 that gets as many excuses and by's as Duran does.