Duran is not a top ten ATG

[BennyST]

pernell whitaker is considered the best 135lber in many circles so once again you look like a fool. duran fought way worse comp at 135 then whitaker

funny how you duran fanatics leave sweet pea out of your equation

I don't think anyone leaves the great Pea out of the question. He was the first guy to unify the lightweight division after Duran. But really, how do you figure that he fought better competition at lightweight? His best win was Azumah Nelson, an aging Nelson past his own best weight. Actually, that's probably Whitaker's greatest win full stop. Huge win, anyone that beats Nelson, even if slightly over prime weight and years, is a special fighter. Do you know who Nelson is Brandish?

Now, who is his second best win? Ramirez? I'd say so. A guy who, by the time Whitaker got to him had already fought over a hundred fights and retired straight after the loss. Hmmm, who's next? Haugen maybe? Roger Mayweather?

So, again, if Pea is the best lightweight according to you and your circle where does Benny Leonard, Joe Gans, Ike Williams, Armstrong, etc etc come in? Didn't you have Armstrong at number two or three pound for pound above Whitaker?

[Brandish]

Yes, he beat Leonard and since no one else could in one of the greatest periods of WW, JMW and MW era's ever, it is a really, really special win.

and his no mas was a really, really, special loss as well

Hagler couldn't, Hearns got TKO'd, Benitez got TKO'd and you can go through all of his other opponents, but Duran is the only guy to beat him convincingly while Leonard was in his absolute peak prime years.

duran did not beat ray leonard convincgly, hence the call for an immediate rematch and the true duran came to play that night in the greates show of cowardice ever

Davey Moore was hardly a champ? He had beat a very good fighter in Ayub Kalule and had wins over Benitez, and got the belt off reigning champion Mihara.

davey moore was 11-0 and had fought a washed up benitez, and kalube it happens all the time a young fighter goes after old names. davey moore is not in the hof for a reason

It's rather obvious that nothing will persuade you to think any differently, probably because you actually don't even know who he fought, and what he did. I think I remember you said that no one even talked about him when he was fighting......You know that the majority of boxing experts had him ranked pound for pound number one over Ali at one time, Holmes etc etc.

yeah and they would have been on crack...you have presented no evidence of duran's greatness besides leoanrd and davey moore, is that the sum total of his career going 1-2 against leoanrd and 1-0 against moore, what about his losses do they escape your attention

So, in closing, you also said you had Duran ranked around number 30 AT right? Explain who you have ahead and why. Actually since that would take a long time for you, just list the five fighters you have from 25 up to Duran and why you have them ahead.

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Sugar Ray Leoanrd
5.Roy JOnes Jr
6.Floyd Mayweather Jr
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Bernard Hopkins
9.Pernell Whitaker
10.Joe Louis
11. James Toney
12. Larry Homes
13. Lennox Lewis
14. Tommy Hearns
15. Evander Holyfield
16. Aaron Pryor
17. Alexis Arguello
18. Julio Caesar chavez
19. Ricardo Lopez
20. Jack Johnson
21. Mike Tyson
22. benny leoanrd
23. willie pep
24. George Foreman
25. Archie Moore
26. Ezzard Charles
27. Bob Foster
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Harry Greb
30. sandy sadler
31. Roberto Duran
32. Felix Trinidad
33. Kid gavlan

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Brandish...try as you may,,,duran fans will not ever address the facts. Look not one of them can dispute my post regarding his wins at lightwieght

[Jim Jeffries]

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Sugar Ray Leoanrd
5.Roy JOnes Jr
6.Floyd Mayweather Jr
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Bernard Hopkins
9.Pernell Whitaker
10.Joe Louis
11. James Toney
12. Larry Homes
13. Lennox Lewis
14. Tommy Hearns
15. Evander Holyfield
16. Aaron Pryor
17. Alexis Arguello
18. Julio Caesar chavez
19. Ricardo Lopez
20. Jack Johnson
21. Mike Tyson
22. benny leoanrd
23. willie pep
24. George Foreman
25. Archie Moore
26. Ezzard Charles
27. Bob Foster
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Harry Greb
30. sandy sadler
31. Roberto Duran
32. Felix Trinidad
33. Kid gavlan

Cong****, that's the first top 16 ATG list I've ever seen that was all black, now I see your problem with Duran.

[Brandish]

Instead of having Mayweather rated above Duran wouldn't you wait until he's actually completed his career? Great fighter, but he'll come back, after all he's only thirty and his best win is Oscar.

he already did what duran couldn't do. was duran ever 18-0 in championship fights, if not sit down and shutup

At thirty, Duran had dominated lightweight for a decade, moved up to WW and beat one of the greatest ever WW's in history, being the only guy to do it, and then crapped himself in the rematch. Two losses, both of which fighters he had beaten himself anyway.

another duran lie he vacated his 135 titles in jan of 1978..he then fights bums for 2 years at 147 before fighting ray leonard. did duran crap himself in all his losses

[Brandish]

Brandish...try as you may,,,duran fans will not ever address the facts. Look not one of them can dispute my post regarding his wins at lightwieght

they are a delusional bunch they don't seem to be grounded in reality..they haven't even touched your post and for good reason

[Brandish]

Cong****, that's the first top 16 ATG list I've ever seen that was all black, now I see your problem with Duran

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I didn't know there was a quota system in boxing, are you saying black boxers on my list don't deserve the praise get the f.u.c.k on my ignore list:wt:

[JAB5239]

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammad Ali
4.Sugar Ray Leoanrd
5.Roy JOnes Jr
6.Floyd Mayweather Jr
7.Marvin Hagler
8.Bernard Hopkins
9.Pernell Whitaker
10.Joe Louis
11. James Toney
12. Larry Homes
13. Lennox Lewis
14. Tommy Hearns
15. Evander Holyfield
16. Aaron Pryor
17. Alexis Arguello
18. Julio Caesar chavez
19. Ricardo Lopez
20. Jack Johnson
21. Mike Tyson
22. benny leoanrd
23. willie pep
24. George Foreman
25. Archie Moore
26. Ezzard Charles
27. Bob Foster
28. Carlos Monzon
29. Harry Greb
30. sandy sadler
31. Roberto Duran
32. Felix Trinidad
33. Kid gavlan

You have James Toney 11th all time, yet Pep at 23, Charles at 26, and Greb at 29. Yeah, its official.....you don't know jack **** about boxing or its history.

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i might now agree with Brandish top 26 and duran to me is much higher than where Brandish has him, but Duran is NOT anything near what you all make him.

I am not at all of the belief that black fighters are superior to whites or latino. However, duran got his ass whipped repeatedly when he faced black boxers. Repeatedly.

Secondly again none of you can refute the list that I have posted regarding his top wins, and how (with the exception of SRL) those wins are nothing special. Marcel, Buchanon..they may have been good fighter but nothing great. Hell who is Buchanon, does any list have him on it, other than the Durans opponent list, for those trying to justify Duran's greatness.

Why do Duran fans IGNORE facts, and how they clearly review duran on idiology and in a different manner and with different rules than anyone else.

[ironalex]

Great fighterbut highly overrated. like oscar he lost to most of the ATG's he faced

went 1-5 agianst the fab five

1. leonard- was 1-2 qon a close split decision in the first fight quit in embarrassing fashion in the rematch

2. Hagler--lost a wide UD

3. Benitez--lost a wide UD

4. Hearns-- brutal ko

was 12-7 in championship fights, only amassed 12 title defenses out of 100 + fights.

at the time he was fighting he was not considered the best, so how can people now want to turn around and say he had a better career then ray and tommy when he didn't do much after beating leaonard the first time at the age of 29

SHUT UP YOU IDIOT! how can durans legacy be compared to de la hoyas?! duran went up and fought naturally a lot bigger people then him, whereas dlh brought them up. plus duran has fought and beat some of the best fighters ever. he was near untouchable at lightweight, fought a fantastic fight against leonard in the first fight, the rematch...shouldnt even count as durans eating habits outside the ring cost him. tommy hearns had the gangly style to beat duran, duran was fighting too upright, and again didnt train for that fight, and if hearns hit anyone on the chin they go,(plus hearns was a great fighter, defo deserved to beat leonard in their second fight), duran went 15 rounds to lose a close fight with hagler, then duran fought and beat guys a lot bigger than him, like barkley and moore. duran is defo one of the best who has ever done it. notice you got mayweather in your pic, a guy who handpicked everyone he has fought! Duran,Robinson, Pep, Moore, Leonard, Armstrong...all p4p best candidates.