Consensus Says Beristain Likely Over-Trained De La Hoya

[ACHlLLES]

I think Beristain may have trained Oscar as if he was Marquez... Very few fighters can train as hard as Pacquiao and Marquez... Very ****** move if that was the case

But styles make fights anyways, and we all could see Manny's style was all wrong for Oscar fight night. Even if Oscar hadne't over-trained you could tell he wasn't going to win that fight.

[slickwalt210]

Training fighters

Training a fighters is like sharpening a knife, you can only get it so sharp before the blade breaks; that looked to me to be the case. A thirty-five year old fighter cannot train like a twenty-five year old fighter. The body has changed and is not as resilient as it once was. As I said in recent posts the weight was the main issue. Oscar shoud have knew better than to fight at that weight. He was training to make weight not to refine his skills. But Oscar was looking for a big event to fight in, not neccessarily a big fight. And as it turned out it was a huge event, but a disgraceful fight.

[PHX PLAYMAKER]

I'm sure Beristain has enough training experience and knowledge to not make the devastating mistake of over-training someone. He's the ******** best in the game !

[SceneSpectator!]

How can you be shot if you've fought a split decision against Mayweather a year ago..

He fought Forbes at 150 and it was OK..

I Think Nacho is to blame here.

Maybe because he fought Manny that made him a shot!

[SceneSpectator!]

in the pacquiao bout oscar looked horrible against a great fighter.

But was he over-trained for the steve forbes too?
Because in that one oscar looked mediocre against an average fighter.
His defensive skills had deteriorated and his reflexes had faded. Oscar's face was left puffed-up and bruised.

Maybe it was a combination of both - a shot, aging fighter who over-trained - and is now absolutely done.

because... He chose pacman which is not an average fighter!

[SceneSpectator!]

LOL now there's going to be a Pac/DLH II lol... you guys are so dumb sometimes

No more.. No one else wanted to fight with him. even margarito doesn't want him anymore! For PAcman, well maybe give 24M to Pacman and 2M to ODLH can be.. but still i dont think this would gonna happen, Pacman woud be busy with hatton, then to floyd jr. then a rematch with JMM, then he will retire! Bye Boxing!!!

[SceneSpectator!]

nah, its all beristain's fault... his only good fighters are the marquez bros... honestly a properly trained dlh should've been able to beat pac w/ his eyes closed
j/k... pac isthe muh****in man. that is all.

Yes, I agree with you, the truth, even no hands and legs for ODLH can beat Pacman! It's all Beristain fault! Now, you can have a good sleep.

[SceneSpectator!]

Well there's one way to find out against these lame excuses. An immediate REMATCH. Lets get it on.

You might really hates ODLH so much, won't you...????

[Benny Leonard]

It's possible, but it sucks to hear Pac's shine bein blocked by **** like this. He should still get full cred for whoopin that ass.

But it is like I said prior to the fight happening; Freddie's words are going to diminish Manny's victory. So if you want to blame someone, blame Freddie for speaking up before the fight and telling the truth...and then continuing after the fight explaining everything in detail; even giving examples.

What Freddie was basically saying was: "Manny, you have a dead Man in front of you; burry him."

You can't get credit for fighting a dead man. If you did: Larry Holmes is "the greatest of all times" because he beat Muhammad Ali.

The good part of it that I realized when I said Freddie should keep it hush hush is, in retrospect, it was good to know and clear the air. He was honest in that sense, unlike many other trainers and boxers I could mention that act like they beat a "Legend" in their prime.

But of course, the nuthuggers will say it's all b.s. simply because they can't see past their own bias and were only listening to the majority that were saying it was no match. They'll keep pointing to these fools that don't break down fights and don't know their history and didn't pay attention to Roach, who was not only a fighter, but he is a great trainer who happened to train Oscar and had the fight at 147, not 154 for a reason.

I'm just a poster and the first thing I thought of was Tszyu vs. Hatton; the possibility that the age, weight loss/trying to make weight; shoulder injury, etc. would be to much and "don't be surprised if Oscar shows up Flat."

Just a boxing fan that likes to know the details and to know why.

[Benny Leonard]

what dlh meant in what he said was that he should've never went picking on midgets.

let that be a lesson to you all.

The Blame is with Oscar; I agree. He knew where he was in his career which is why he picked a "smaller" fighter. But what he should have known is what Freddie knew: not the "he couldn't pull the trigger" thing, but when Freddie talked about Oscar was thinking about making weight and not thinking about Manny. And then giving examples of fighters in the past that were dreadful when they came back down in weight and drained themselves; especially at Oscar's age.

Oscar didn't know his history.