Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

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You cannot contradict the evidence I've presented. It is what it is. You can argue it. You can present your own evidence to try and counter it. But, you cannot waive a wand and simply make it disappear. I'm sorry it hurts, but it is what it is.

Mayweather dodged Kostya Tszyu. Period.

And you still have to explain how Zoo could have possibly beaten Mayweather...

[Wiley Hyena]

And you still have to explain how Zoo could have possibly beaten Mayweather...

I'll restate a portion of the post I earlier addressed to you:

You can argue it until you're blue in the face, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tszyu would have been the most formidable opponent that Mayweather has ever faced. It's commonly said, rightly or not, "Tszyu didn't like pressure fighters." Floyd isn't a pressure fighter. You have to be able to back Tszyu up to beat him, otherwise he just follows you around and eventually you go to sleep. Floyd doesn't have the style or power to beat prime Tszyu.

[Benny Leonard]

Prime Tszyu vs. Prime Floyd....I think would be a tough fight...I can agree with that.


Vince Phillips won that fight because he was able to take Tszyu's best shot and dish out his own until he caught Kostya enough times to wear him out and finish him off.
I'm not sure what Tszyu's reasons were for the loss and what he thought he could have done different.

[Brandish]

You can argue it until you're blue in the face, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tszyu would have been the most formidable opponent that Mayweather has ever faced.

get the heck out of here are you saying a past prime zoo who couldn't handle ricky hatton is going to beat floyd in his prime

It's commonly said, rightly or not, "Tszyu didn't like pressure fighters." Floyd isn't a pressure fighter. You have to be able to back Tszyu up to beat him, otherwise he just follows you around and eventually you go to sleep. Floyd doesn't have the style or power to beat prime Tszyu.

floyd made oscar, hatton, judah, ndou, and the list go on "backup" during his fights.

you are the perfect definition of a schlep a guy who is a mark. you claim zoo was past prime at the age of 36 so what was he doing during his prime years, besides getting injured and fighting c-b level fighters and has beens

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I'll restate a portion of the post I earlier addressed to you:

You can argue it until you're blue in the face, but there's no doubt in my mind that Tszyu would have been the most formidable opponent that Mayweather has ever faced. It's commonly said, rightly or not, "Tszyu didn't like pressure fighters." Floyd isn't a pressure fighter. You have to be able to back Tszyu up to beat him, otherwise he just follows you around and eventually you go to sleep. Floyd doesn't have the style or power to beat prime Tszyu.

lol... your explanation is based on labels. "pressure fighter", "boxer". Mine is based on details on what could possibly go on in the ring. You know why that is? Because you dont understand this sport and I do, Mr. "Calzaghe has more impressive D than Mayweather"

I already explained to you that Mayweather has plenty of power to attract any 140er's (in fact he was knocking people down quite a bit at that weight). If you don't see it, your problem everyone else sees it. Zoo is not huge head "I will eat the kitchen sink if you throw it at me" Baldomir.

I also explained to you how Mayweather has the style to avoid a straight right hands in his sleep, it's simply ridiculous that you didnt already know that!

Watching actual fights point out that a 2005 Zoo is up for even more trouble on the inside.

You can only say "pressure"... "boxer"... How about you break down the fight and tell us what goes on?

I will tell you how this fight goes.

First couple of round potshotting by Mayweather who starts real slow respecting Zoo's power and guile. Rounds likely scored for Zoo.

Mayweather starts to adjust to the distance and lands more, rounds start being scored for Mayweather, but nothing big. Zoo isnt landing much but he is still throwing consistently. Somewhere between round 7-10, it is clear that Mayweather is ahead on the scorecards.

Now there is a couple of options.

a) Zoo doesnt change anything, fight goes on boring, Mayweather potshots his way to a UD

b) Zoo changes plan on and gets up close, hoping to rough up Mayweather and maybe even catch him off the clinch with some of those nice letf hooks to potentially set up some right hands... and he finds out what Hatton found out. That Mayweather is dirty and slippery as **** on the inside and it's damn hard to lend a left hook on someone who comes in slanted, wrestles you with his elbows rather than his arms (keeps his defensive form more intact) and knows that punch is the one to look for. Zoo is landing something here, but nothing flush. In the meantime. Mayweather who is not having much success landing head shots either (because Zoo being who he is damn well knows where to keep his head) but he is working his body nasty with short power punches. short looping shots to the ribcage, uppercuts to the solar plexus...Zoo might win a round here, but that bodywork pays off fast in those late rounds.

Now... in his prime Zoo makes it more of a fight at this point (and it would be interesting to see the nice little fouls they'd pull on each other), but in 2005 Zoo gets stopped late if he pushes the fight.

If Zoo was had more of a left handed attack fighter, or he was a southpaw with a great right hook, or if he was rangier, he'd be a lot of trouble with his skills and smarts, but unfortunately he has the wrong tools to deal with Mayweather.

[Wiley Hyena]

get the heck out of here are you saying a past prime zoo who couldn't handle ricky hatton is going to beat floyd in his prime




floyd made oscar, hatton, judah, ndou, and the list go on "backup" during his fights.

you are the perfect definition of a schlep a guy who is a mark. you claim zoo was past prime at the age of 36 so what was he doing during his prime years, besides getting injured and fighting c-b level fighters and has beens

I like the way you qualified that as "past prime" Tszyu.

You can call me a "schlep" and "mark"....whatever the hell that means. But, at least I'm not a dumbass, such as yourself.

[Wiley Hyena]

lol... your explanation is based on labels. "pressure fighter", "boxer". Mine is based on details on what could possibly go on in the ring. You know why that is? Because you dont understand this sport and I do, Mr. "Calzaghe has more impressive D than Mayweather"

I already explained to you that Mayweather has plenty of power to attract any 140er's (in fact he was knocking people down quite a bit at that weight). If you don't see it, your problem everyone else sees it. Zoo is not huge head "I will eat the kitchen sink if you throw it at me" Baldomir.

I also explained to you how Mayweather has the style to avoid a straight right hands in his sleep, it's simply ridiculous that you didnt already know that!

Watching actual fights point out that a 2005 Zoo is up for even more trouble on the inside.

You can only say "pressure"... "boxer"... How about you break down the fight and tell us what goes on?

I will tell you how this fight goes.

First couple of round potshotting by Mayweather who starts real slow respecting Zoo's power and guile. Rounds likely scored for Zoo.

Mayweather starts to adjust to the distance and lands more, rounds start being scored for Mayweather, but nothing big. Zoo isnt landing much but he is still throwing consistently. Somewhere between round 7-10, it is clear that Mayweather is ahead on the scorecards.

Now there is a couple of options.

a) Zoo doesnt change anything, fight goes on boring, Mayweather potshots his way to a UD

b) Zoo changes plan on and gets up close, hoping to rough up Mayweather and maybe even catch him off the clinch with some of those nice letf hooks to potentially set up some right hands... and he finds out what Hatton found out. That Mayweather is dirty and slippery as **** on the inside and it's damn hard to lend a left hook on someone who comes in slanted, wrestles you with his elbows rather than his arms (keeps his defensive form more intact) and knows that punch is the one to look for. Zoo is landing something here, but nothing flush. In the meantime. Mayweather who is not having much success landing head shots either (because Zoo being who he is damn well knows where to keep his head) but he is working his body nasty with short power punches. short looping shots to the ribcage, uppercuts to the solar plexus...Zoo might win a round here, but that bodywork pays off fast in those late rounds.

Now... in his prime Zoo makes it more of a fight at this point (and it would be interesting to see the nice little fouls they'd pull on each other), but in 2005 Zoo gets stopped late if he pushes the fight.

If Zoo was had more of a left handed attack fighter, or he was a southpaw with a great right hook, or if he was rangier, he'd be a lot of trouble with his skills and smarts, but unfortunately he has the wrong tools to deal with Mayweather.

Yeah, well at least I didn't say: "Mayweather wouldn't have to move at all to beat Zoo."

ROFL! Please. Don't talk to me about "boxing knowledge" anymore.

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Yeah, well at least I didn't say: "Mayweather wouldn't have to move at all to beat Zoo."

ROFL! Please. Don't talk to me about "boxing knowledge" anymore.

He wouldnt because in 2005, Mayweather murders Zoo on the inside.

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Yeah, well at least I didn't say: "Mayweather wouldn't have to move at all to beat Zoo."

ROFL! Please. Don't talk to me about "boxing knowledge" anymore.

Also, I think that even before putting gloves on, even before getting past the childish Tyson excitement I never said anything as dumb as

"Calzaghe's defense is more impressive than Mayweather's"

You said that.

You should not be thinking about boxing, much less talking about it.

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Prime Tszyu vs. Prime Floyd....I think would be a tough fight...I can agree with that.


Vince Phillips won that fight because he was able to take Tszyu's best shot and dish out his own until he caught Kostya enough times to wear him out and finish him off.
I'm not sure what Tszyu's reasons were for the loss and what he thought he could have done different.

I think that you can find a few fighters of Zoo's caliber who could give a lot more trouble to Mayweather.

More of a fight in Zoo's prime, but Floyd is wrong for him.