Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

[slicksouthpaw16]

Of course you don't want to go on. ROFL! I just love it when you guys try and convince the world that such fighters as Miguel Angel Gonzales were bums simply because nobody but older people know the truth. And, Chavez is on the list for who he was.

I have heard Mayweather call out Tszyu when he was at junior lightweight if am remembering correctly, and i think it was on the night he beat Corales.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Of course you don't want to go on. ROFL! I just love it when you guys try and convince the world that such fighters as Miguel Angel Gonzales were bums simply because nobody but older people know the truth. And, Chavez is on the list for who he was.

Even though Julio was past his prime and was only thrown in that fight because he was stuck in one of Don King's contract so Don could make money off of him? That is one win that no one brings up for Tszyu, because it was even after his loss to De La Hoya and he looked past it then.

[Wiley Hyena]

You seriously want me to break down Pineda and Miguel Angel Gonzalez? Come on, dude.

And I love how you say Chavez was on the list for who he was.

Why else would he be listed? And, be my guest.....break them down.

What you're trying to say, without saying it, is.....that Tszyu never fought and defeated an American media star (with the exception of Vernon Forrest in the World Amateurs, and of course Zab Judah..emerging).

Is it Tszyu's fault that Shane Mosely skipped the entire JrWW division while Tszyu ruled there? It is Tszyu's fault that Oscar slipped out of the division (never to come back) without fighting Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Mayweather dodged Tszyu?

This in itself is a testament to just how dangerous Tszyu was considered to be.

[IMDAZED]

Why else would he be listed? And, be my guest.....break them down.

What you're trying to say, without saying it, is.....that Tszyu never fought and defeated an American media star (with the exception of Vernon Forrest in the World Amateurs).

Is it Tszyu's fault that Shane Mosely skipped the entire JrWW division while Tszyu ruled there? It is Tszyu's fault that Oscar slipped out of the division (never to come back) without fighting Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Mayweather dodged Tszyu?

This in itself is a testament to just how dangerous Tszyu was considered to be.

WTF are you talking about?

All I said was that Floyd Mayweather stops Kostya Tszyu IMO. You responded that my assertion was complete BS and that's how this whole thing began.

And no, I'm not breaking anything down because you're just warped. I've wasted enough time typing rebuttals--to someone who has no clue what he's debating about in the first place, no less.

[Benny Leonard]

Why else would he be listed? And, be my guest.....break them down.

What you're trying to say, without saying it, is.....that Tszyu never fought and defeated an American media star (with the exception of Vernon Forrest in the World Amateurs).

Is it Tszyu's fault that Shane Mosely skipped the entire JrWW division while Tszyu ruled there? It is Tszyu's fault that Oscar slipped out of the division (never to come back) without fighting Tszyu? Is it Tszyu's fault that Mayweather dodged Tszyu?

This in itself is a testament to just how dangerous Tszyu was considered to be.

LOL: you are bringing up an amateur fight against a young Forrest?
We've seen plenty of examples of how it changes when you go Pro and mature.

Yes, it's Tszyu's fault for losing to Phillips and then Hatton. He just blew two Mega-Fights; Oscar...and then...Floyd.

Yes, it was Tszyu's fault for never moving up to the hottest division during that time: 147.

He could have moved up after he gained his credibility back when he won his title back...but he didn't.


Tszyu was well respected by them all; this is true. But Tszyu should have moved up and taken those fights...at least after he won his title back...move up. His proble was that he lost to Phillips and he had to regain what he lost.

[slicksouthpaw16]

I also think you( Wiley) underestimate Floyd's power in those lower weight divisions. He knocked down a peaking Corales( who has a great chin) 5 times with single punches and stopped him. I have seen Koysta troubled by lesser boxers than Mayweather like Jesse Leija and Urkal. I think he would be befuddled by the hand speed of Mayweather, i don't think he could beat Floyd at a tactical standpoint and he was never much of an infighter either, so his chances are limited.

[Wiley Hyena]

WTF are you talking about?

All I said was that Floyd Mayweather stops Kostya Tszyu IMO. You responded that my assertion was complete BS and that's how this whole thing began.

And no, I'm not breaking anything down because you're just warped. I've wasted enough time typing rebuttals--to someone who has no clue what he's debating about in the first place, no less.

Ok.....fine..............we'll agree to disagree. But, what I responded to was your assertion that Tszyu could not fight on the inside. That's simply not true.

[IMDAZED]

Ok.....fine..............we'll agree to disagree. But, what I responded to was your assertion that Tszyu could not fight on the inside. That's simply not true.

And somehow you deduced the argument was about Tszyu not fighting an American superstar.

Sure, guy.

[Wiley Hyena]

I also think you( Wiley) underestimate Floyd's power in those lower weight divisions. He knocked down a peaking Corales( who has a great chin) 5 times with single punches and stopped him. I have seen Koysta troubled by lesser boxers than Mayweather like Jesse Leija and Urkal. I think he would be befuddled by the hand speed of Mayweather, i don't think he could beat Floyd at a tactical standpoint and he was never much of an infighter either, so his chances are limited.

Respect your opinion, but I doubt that to within a reasonable degree of probability. Tszyu was not befuddled by speed. ON the contrary, he ate it up .....hence: the destruction of Zab Judah, etc....

[Wiley Hyena]

And somehow you deduced the argument was about Tszyu not fighting an American superstar.

Sure, guy.

After you lost your head and strung the argument out. What are we quibbling about and why?