Tszyu vs De La Hoya & others, how come it didn't happen?

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Yeah, right. Gonzales, Chavez, Ruelas, Hurtado, Pineda, Lopez......all pretty crappy fighters. ROFL! Ever wondered what might have happened to Mitchell and Judah had they beaten Tszyu?

Tszyu was the first man to unify the 140 pound division in 30 years. To me, from what I saw, he was clearly an ATG and one of the finest boxers I have ever seen. He could have given any JrWW in history alot of problems. IMO

You did your best to just throw out "names" without providing readers any sort of context. And even then that list looks pretty lame

Yeah, he would've given a lot of junior welters problems, he was a good champ. But junior welter isn't exactly the oldest in the world and I can think of quite a few fighters who would've handed him his ass. It's not like we'd be seeing anything a lesser fighter hadn't done to a prime version before.

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I'm sorry. I've just got to respond further. Nice fantasy post, by the way.

First of all, who said 2005 Tszyu? But, that's ok....I'll take any Tszyu against Mayweather all the way up to the Hatton fight. But, note when Mayweather was at 130 he was already calling for DeLaHoya. Didn't ever call for Tszyu though. Well enough of that.........I'll respond.

You're basing your whole argument on Floyd's seemingly being invulnerable to a straight right. Yes, I understand his shoulder rolling defense (called the "Philly shell"...in case you didn't know). This kind of thing works against against alot of conventional (as opposed to southpaws) fighters. Especially sloppy fighters who wing their shots inaccurately hoping to just get thru. But, if it worked all the time......everybody would be doing it. POINT ONE: Tszyu was not sloppy. He was extremely accurate. He had magnificent timing with both hands. And, just one good shot with that right hand of his.....lights out. IT takes ACCURACY to defeat the shell. Remember N'dou v. Mayweather? N'dou almost got to Floyd, but he wasn't accurate. He was sloppy. N'dou was no Tszyu. POINT TWO: Tszyu's left hook. He has two hands, remember? POINT THREE: Mayweather's power. Not enough there to back up Tszyu. He may be able to potshot him, but when he does, Tszyu counters. That's what he does. Which leads me to POINT FOUR: Tszyu was one of the best counter-punchers the game has ever seen, IMO. This is the real key.

So here's how it plays out. Tszyu wades right in with the jab followed by a few rights and Mayweather goes into his shell, occasionally potshotting. Tszyu counters Floyd's potshots and backs Mayweather around all night. Eventually, Mayweather will try to throw a left hand. Tszyu counters and eventually Mayweather goes to sleep. Or, Tszyu attacks and counters Floyd all night with his left. Potshotting Tszyu won't get the decision if Tszyu can't be hurt. If Floyd survived, then Floyd loses the UD. It's as simple as that, IMO.

POINT ONE:
a) It is a fact that of all punches you can think of a straight right is your worse shot to break into that D.

b) If you think MAyweather would fight Zoo like N'Dou (opening up) you'd be insulting one of the best boxing minds to ever enter a ring.

POINT TWO: Zoo's left hook in this context is functional to his hope of landing a right, because that punch might be landing easier than the right but it also doesnt do much damage. ALso: how did i forget about that punch, read the inside fighting part.

POINT THREE: You like to think Mayweather has not enough power to make Zoo stop in his tracks, like I said Zoo isnt Baldomit or Margarito, if Oscar felt it, you can be sure Zoo will feel it.

POINT FOUR: So you seriously think Zoo is a better countrpuncher than Mayweather? DO you think he has better timing that Mayweather? I am curious...

And finally if Zoo keeps comes forward and potshotting doesnt work for Mayweather, he just needs to stay there and fight him on the inside.

On why would someone call out oscar instead of zoo... well the an$wer is easy and it has nothing to do with fear. Unfortunately for your theorem, Floyd said he'd fight Zoo a number of times.

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he couldn't even get by vince philips or ricky hatton get out of here you schlep lep

Don't you have homework to do? It's almost bedtime.

[Wiley Hyena]

You did your best to just throw out "names" without providing readers any sort of context. And even then that list looks pretty lame

Yeah, he would've given a lot of junior welters problems, he was a good champ. But junior welter isn't exactly the oldest in the world and I can think of quite a few fighters who would've handed him his ass. It's not like we'd be seeing anything a lesser fighter hadn't done to a prime version before.

Scroll up in the thread. I have those fighters, along with their records, listed. You check 'em out (boxrec them) since you're too young to be able to remember (I assume you're too young because otherwise you're either being dishonest or don't know ****).

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And not everyone would fight with that shoulder roll style, because among it is hard to defend against looping right shots for example. Zoo doesnt throw them, others do... that's why I said a lefty with a an excellent right hook would be a much better suited to beat Mayweather. (And that's probably why Mayweather often fights in a conventional stance against lefties)

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Scroll up in the thread. I have those fighters, along with their records, listed. You check 'em out (boxrec them) since you're too young to be able to remember (I assume you're too young because otherwise you're either being dishonest or don't know ****).

You have the nerve to throw Julio Cesar Chavez's name on that list of BIG names ATG Tszyu beat and you accuse me of being dishonest?

Get the **** outta here.

That fight was a disgrace, one Jose Suliaman was copping pleas and apologizing in defense of only days before the fight. It was disgusting!

Rafael Ruelas? Rafael Ruelas? That dude was no more than a "good" win for Oscar at lightweight, had lost his next fight right after but is somehow a good win for Kostya Tszyu at 140 three years later?

I don't even wanna go on, man. You're delusional.

[wolfgang]

Don't open your mouth till you know what the shot is

Richard Roma is the man!

[Wiley Hyena]

POINT ONE:
a) It is a fact that of all punches you can think of a straight right is your worse shot to break into that D.

b) If you think MAyweather would fight Zoo like N'Dou (opening up) you'd be insulting one of the best boxing minds to ever enter a ring.

POINT TWO: Zoo's left hook in this context is functional to his hope of landing a right, because that punch might be landing easier than the right but it also doesnt do much damage. ALso: how did i forget about that punch, read the inside fighting part.

POINT THREE: You like to think Mayweather has not enough power to make Zoo stop in his tracks, like I said Zoo isnt Baldomit or Margarito, if Oscar felt it, you can be sure Zoo will feel it.

POINT FOUR: So you seriously think Zoo is a better countrpuncher than Mayweather? DO you think he has better timing that Mayweather? I am curious...

And finally if Zoo keeps comes forward and potshotting doesnt work for Mayweather, he just needs to stay there and fight him on the inside.

On why would someone call out oscar instead of zoo... well the an$wer is easy and it has nothing to do with fear. Unfortunately for your theorem, Floyd said he'd fight Zoo a number of times.

Originally posted by wmute:

"POINT ONE:
a) It is a fact that of all punches you can think of a straight right is your worse shot to break into that D.

RESPONSE: Agreed.


b) If you think MAyweather would fight Zoo like N'Dou (opening up) you'd be insulting one of the best boxing minds to ever enter a ring.


RESPONSE: A better boxing mind than Tszyu? You place too much credence on Floyd's intelligence. Furthermore, Floyd didn't VOLUNTARILY "open up" against N'dou. In fact, he spent most of his time in the shell, which is what he does when he's under attack. What happened against N'dou is that Floyd was receiving some punishment mostly by deflection, so he would occasionally open up to fight out of necessity when he was on the ropes....to try to get N'dou off of him. But, N'dou didn't have the accuracy to land the KO shots. They deflected because he was sloppy and reckless. Tszyu's shots would have been totally different.


POINT TWO: Zoo's left hook in this context is functional to his hope of landing a right, because that punch might be landing easier than the right but it also doesnt do much damage. ALso: how did i forget about that punch, read the inside fighting part.


RESPONSE: Tszyu had plenty of steam in his left hand. It's just that his right got famous.....for famous reasons. The key here is Tszyu's counter punching skills.


POINT THREE: You like to think Mayweather has not enough power to make Zoo stop in his tracks, like I said Zoo isnt Baldomit or Margarito, if Oscar felt it, you can be sure Zoo will feel it.

RESPONSE: The only time Tszyu was ever counted out in his career, was in the Phillips fight (and it was a waive off). Kostya Tszyu had a great chin. You're wrong to simply say Tszyu "isn't Baldomir or Margarito." Secondly, the problem fighting Tszyu is that when you hit him, he hits you. That's Floyd's problem. That's why against Tszyu, Floyd backs off. That's why Floyd goes into his shell. It's called counter punching. Floyd would land potshots, but those won't hurt Tszyu without a concentrated attack being involved. And, make no mistake, Tszyu doesn't walk into Floyd's punches like Hatton and so many others have. He's very crafty in this regard.


POINT FOUR: So you seriously think Zoo is a better countrpuncher than Mayweather? DO you think he has better timing that Mayweather? I am curious...

RESPONSE: Ohhh....a set up question. You mean we're supposed to believe that Floyd has the best timed counters of all time? Because to be better than Tszyu, it will have to be some of the greatest of all time. Give me a break. Floyd is a good counter puncher...out of the shell. A passive aggressive defense you might call it. That crap don't get it done with Tszyu. It doesn't matter who was the best counter puncher or who had the best timing because it's Tszyu power that will makes the difference. Floyd in the shell.....that's the key to Tszyu's victory.


And finally if Zoo keeps comes forward and potshotting doesnt work for Mayweather, he just needs to stay there and fight him on the inside.

RESPONSE: Floyd doesn't do this with Tszyu, IMO. It would be suicidal. Tszyu too adept at coming in, provoking the challenge, taking a step back and countering. 1..2..3.
A tantalizingly complex manuever in which Tszyu was exceedingly masterful. No, Floyd would engage get hit and shell up and challenge Tszyu to break thru while Floyd picks at him. This is what Floyd does, with exceeding proficiency, I'll admit. The problem is that in regard to Tszyu, it's just what the doctor ordered.

On why would someone call out oscar instead of zoo... well the an$wer is easy and it has nothing to do with fear. Unfortunately for your theorem, Floyd said he'd fight Zoo a number of times.

RESPONSE: I'll agree with the first part of your statement. The second part was all talk and no walk. Period.

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You have the nerve to throw Julio Cesar Chavez's name on that list of BIG names ATG Tszyu beat and you accuse me of being dishonest?

Get the **** outta here.

That fight was a disgrace, one Jose Suliaman was copping pleas and apologizing in defense of only days before the fight. It was disgusting!

Rafael Ruelas? Rafael Ruelas? That dude was no more than a "good" win for Oscar at lightweight, had lost his next fight right after but is somehow a good win for Kostya Tszyu at 140 three years later?

I don't even wanna go on, man. You're delusional.

Of course you don't want to go on. ROFL! I just love it when you guys try and convince the world that such fighters as Miguel Angel Gonzales were bums simply because nobody but older people know the truth. And, Chavez is on the list for who he was.

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Of course you don't want to go on. ROFL! I just love it when you guys try and convince the world that such fighters as Miguel Angel Gonzales were bums simply because nobody but older people know the truth. And, Chavez is on the list for who he was.

You seriously want me to break down Pineda and Miguel Angel Gonzalez? Come on, dude.

And I love how you say Chavez was on the list for who he was.