Is Oscar De La Hoya an all-time great?

[Mr. Fantastic]

I think its definately a debatable topic dude and I think you have a legitimate case. But you gotta remember you can tear down pretty much any fighters resume - look at the **** ppl on here say about Roy Jones' resume. There are ppl who genuinely believe his resume is just full of names and he always dodged the best, etc. You can say Hopkins only fought midgets; Hearns lost all his big fights; Hagler only fought welters and lightweights; Tyson never beat a great fighter; Pacquiao beats up on old shot Mexicans; Floyd ducked the best in his division; etc etc. You can do it with all but a few fighters.

Great Post Man. Very True!!

[Wales08]

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Originally Posted by Wales08
Where is Hoya from?

Larnyx: california.........u.s.a


Ah thats why 31 people voted him an ATG.

[JAB5239]

How? It's true. SRL beat several ATG's it's on record, it's undisputed. DLH fought and lost to several ATG's. The only ATG's he beat were an old and shot JCC and an old Whitaker and even then sweetpea almost beat him. DLH has never beaten a prime or even close to prime ATG. If he beats Manny he'll say he beat an ATG and if he wins he would be right, but beating an ATG that's 3 divisions above his beat weight is a cowards way of padding his record.

this post is 100 percent correct

It is correct for the most part. But it does nothing to explain why Oscar shouldn't be granted all time great status. There have been literally thousands and thousands of professional fighters. deLaHoya's record, acheivments and competition rank among some of the very best of all time.

[IMDAZED]

I think its definately a debatable topic dude and I think you have a legitimate case. But you gotta remember you can tear down pretty much any fighters resume - look at the **** ppl on here say about Roy Jones' resume. There are ppl who genuinely believe his resume is just full of names and he always dodged the best, etc. You can say Hopkins only fought midgets; Hearns lost all his big fights; Hagler only fought welters and lightweights; Tyson never beat a great fighter; Pacquiao beats up on old shot Mexicans; Floyd ducked the best in his division; etc etc. You can do it with all but a few fighters.

I'm well aware you can do that. Luckily, I don't NEED to do that with Oscar.

I don't.

Yeah Hopkins fought midgets but he beat the best in his division. And then leaped two divisions and beat the best there.

Roy Jones gave up his title and moved up to fight the best in the world. And won.

And so forth...

How can an ATG fighter go through so many divisons and not once beat the best? How?

[lparm]

I think its definately a debatable topic dude and I think you have a legitimate case. But you gotta remember you can tear down pretty much any fighters resume - look at the **** ppl on here say about Roy Jones' resume. There are ppl who genuinely believe his resume is just full of names and he always dodged the best, etc. You can say Hopkins only fought midgets; Hearns lost all his big fights; Hagler only fought welters and lightweights; Tyson never beat a great fighter; Pacquiao beats up on old shot Mexicans; Floyd ducked the best in his division; etc etc. You can do it with all but a few fighters.

The difference between DLH and Tyson, Hop, Hagler, RJJ, Manny, Floyd,etc is simple.....they all had legit claims to being the best in their divisions, all of them at one time or another beat anyone with a claim. DLH lost to every fighter that had a claim to being the division's best, every time. That's the difference.

[larryx]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales08
Where is Hoya from?

Larnyx: california.........u.s.a


Ah thats why 31 people voted him an ATG.

lol..........he's definitly not an atg..but everyones entited to their opinion..personally i could care lees..fact is hes rich as a maphucka

[JAB5239]

I think its definately a debatable topic dude and I think you have a legitimate case. But you gotta remember you can tear down pretty much any fighters resume - look at the **** ppl on here say about Roy Jones' resume. There are ppl who genuinely believe his resume is just full of names and he always dodged the best, etc. You can say Hopkins only fought midgets; Hearns lost all his big fights; Hagler only fought welters and lightweights; Tyson never beat a great fighter; Pacquiao beats up on old shot Mexicans; Floyd ducked the best in his division; etc etc. You can do it with all but a few fighters.

Exactly. Good post!

[Mr. Fantastic]

didnt say i enjoyed the fight..but hopkins does have a case that he deserves a rematch...but why doesnt the ring champ who dawson is calling out fight dawson????????????oh hes not 40

I'll be surprised if HBO picks up that rematch, honestly.
Unlike Hopkins, he wants to retire. Slappy thinks Dawson hasn't done enough to earn him the fight. I would like to see it though. Please don't bring the age up, its not like someone is putting a gun to Hopkins' head to keep fighting.

[IMDAZED]

The difference between DLH and Tyson, Hop, Hagler, RJJ, Manny, Floyd,etc is simple.....they all had legit claims to being the best in their divisions, all of them at one time or another beat anyone with a claim. DLH lost to every fighter that had a claim to being the division's best, every time. That's the difference.

And when that didn't work he'd try to make them LEAVE their division for something more comfortable. Funny how he can get down to 150 and 147 for Forbes and Manny but couldn't do it for Floyd. Funny how he could go to 160 for Sturm but made Hopkins weigh an anorexic 156 for their fight. And lost. Lost, lost, lost. When did he ever beat the best in his division? When?

[Dan...]

I'm well aware you can do that. Luckily, I don't NEED to do that with Oscar.

I don't.

Yeah Hopkins fought midgets but he beat the best in his division. And then leaped two divisions and beat the best there.

Roy Jones gave up his title and moved up to fight the best in the world. And won.

And so forth...

How can an ATG fighter go through so many divisons and not once beat the best? How?

I acknowledged that you had a point there.

To be fair though I think Oscar did actually do that, twice. He just didn't get the decision.