Is Calzaghe the Greatest of All Time?

[ENZO&GONZO]

Yes no doubt.

My son defeated legends like Mario Veit and Ron Jones in their prime.

p4p The best boxer ever!!!

[bsrizpac]

yes No Doubt.

My Son Defeated Legends Like Mario Veit And Ron Jones In Their Prime.

P4p The Best Boxer Ever!!!

Correct........

[Good Barracuda]

what? calzaghe ****ing sucks the slapper and his post slap antics do not certify for being even a good fighter. everyone knows roy jones through that fight and hopkins got robbed.

[Testdead]

Calzaghe is an ATG no doubt but the greatest of all time. NO.

[Dan...]

Cannot believe this thread is still kicking. Just goes to show what it is like in NSB, you just make some ***tard thread and it gets over 100 responses.

[Njord777]

The use of statistics as a yard-stick for achievement doesn't sit well with me at all. I like Calzaghe well enough but personal feelings on a fighter shouldn't come into play if you're weighing something as heavy as where a boxer sits on an ATG list. Statistics?

Against Clottey Margarito set a compubox record for the most punches ever thrown in the history of the sport. Does that mean he's the best conditioned boxer ever? Does it mean he's the most grueling pressure fighter the sport of boxing has ever seen? I don't really believe so...statistics can deceive if not taken in context.

Further, if you want to use statistics let's continue with Compubox - love it or hate it, it's decently respected in the sport. There was mention of how many punches Calzaghe lands and how that shows the effectiveness of his offense and possibly adds to his 'ATG' status.

Most punches ever landed, by Compubox, in boxing history? Who do you think? Answer: Phillip Holiday's '96 win over Ivan Robinson. Is he the best boxer of all time? I mean, statistically he's landed more punches than anyone in the sport's modern history, right? Sure, the Compubox record book for most punches landed has Hall of Fame worthy names like James Toney, Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whitaker, Barerra, Morales and even Arturo Gatti. But guess what? Kasim Ouma and Daniel Zarazoga are also in the top 5 for most landed punches in compubox history. Where do they stack up in ATG lists?

Going by statistics- plain numbers- Sugar Ray Robinson lost 19 times by the time he hung it up. 19 times! Based on numbers he's not looking to good against the undefeated likes of Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather, huh? Anyone who argues those two names are better than Robinson are smoking some very good ****. Yes, Robinson had a far more amazing number of wins - but I'm illustrating how misleading numbers can be.

Like others have said- Joe Calzaghe was probably the first career HoF fighter at suppermidleweight. He didn't use it as a stop-off up or down the boxing weight class ladder, and the man held a title there for his entire career. He'll make the Hall of Fame and probably some ATG lists....but weighing what he's done in a arguably much weaker division makes it hard to stack him up against the sport's other illustrious fighters and have Joe come out on top. Statistics lie but examining a boxer's fight-by-fight achievements can help you come to a more clear picture of where they stand in the history of the sport.

In short: statistics are bull****, Joe Calzaghe was a good, unorthodox fighter in a largely unheralded weight class that held a significant title, fought a few ATG veterans late in their careers before hanging it up. He'll go down at one of the sport's best but- in a very crowded list- he'd be lucky to crack the top 30, let alone even approach the top of the short list.

[Allucard]

And another one on the ignore list. And btw, he is on Marciano, and Ottke's level.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

I cannot mention every boxer in history. But, in the end Lopez lost.

fail........................

[bsrizpac]

The use of statistics as a yard-stick for achievement doesn't sit well with me at all. I like Calzaghe well enough but personal feelings on a fighter shouldn't come into play if you're weighing something as heavy as where a boxer sits on an ATG list. Statistics?

Against Clottey Margarito set a compubox record for the most punches ever thrown in the history of the sport. Does that mean he's the best conditioned boxer ever? Does it mean he's the most grueling pressure fighter the sport of boxing has ever seen? I don't really believe so...statistics can deceive if not taken in context.

Further, if you want to use statistics let's continue with Compubox - love it or hate it, it's decently respected in the sport. There was mention of how many punches Calzaghe lands and how that shows the effectiveness of his offense and possibly adds to his 'ATG' status.

Most punches ever landed, by Compubox, in boxing history? Who do you think? Answer: Phillip Holiday's '96 win over Ivan Robinson. Is he the best boxer of all time? I mean, statistically he's landed more punches than anyone in the sport's modern history, right? Sure, the Compubox record book for most punches landed has Hall of Fame worthy names like James Toney, Oscar De La Hoya, Pernell Whitaker, Barerra, Morales and even Arturo Gatti. But guess what? Kasim Ouma and Daniel Zarazoga are also in the top 5 for most landed punches in compubox history. Where do they stack up in ATG lists?

Going by statistics- plain numbers- Sugar Ray Robinson lost 19 times by the time he hung it up. 19 times! Based on numbers he's not looking to good against the undefeated likes of Joe Calzaghe and Floyd Mayweather, huh? Anyone who argues those two names are better than Robinson are smoking some very good ****. Yes, Robinson had a far more amazing number of wins - but I'm illustrating how misleading numbers can be.

Like others have said- Joe Calzaghe was probably the first career HoF fighter at suppermidleweight. He didn't use it as a stop-off up or down the boxing weight class ladder, and the man held a title there for his entire career. He'll make the Hall of Fame and probably some ATG lists....but weighing what he's done in a arguably much weaker division makes it hard to stack him up against the sport's other illustrious fighters and have Joe come out on top. Statistics lie but examining a boxer's fight-by-fight achievements can help you come to a more clear picture of where they stand in the history of the sport.

In short: statistics are bull****, Joe Calzaghe was a good, unorthodox fighter in a largely unheralded weight class that held a significant title, fought a few ATG veterans late in their careers before hanging it up. He'll go down at one of the sport's best but- in a very crowded list- he'd be lucky to crack the top 30, let alone even approach the top of the short list.

Great response. Dead on.

[Testdead]

And another one on the ignore list. And btw, he is on Marciano, and Ottke's level.

Only a true **** would say Calzaghe is on Ottkes level.