Would Calzaghe go through RJJ's resume undeafeated?

[Cletus Funk]

^^ nah, 36/37 year old Roy doesn't beat Hopkins or Kessler.

[KingArthur]

Who the **** knows? Personally I think he beats everyone even including Ruiz, but the toney,hopkins fights are questionable. Oh, and I will say this though... Something looked wrong with toney the night he fought roy. He looked fatter and out of shape? Maybe too much burger-king?

I actually think he'd have an easier time with Toney rather than Ruiz. I think he wouldn't lost both fights but I think a pretty good heavy in Ruiz would give him a much harder time

[BennyST]

the one i DEFINITELY cant see happening... is joe fighting at 198 pounds against someone 240, and trying to flurry... no way no how...


but could roy go thru joes resume undefeated..... ?

No, he would get beaten by Hopkins when Calzaghe fought him. He would also get beaten by Kessler. Don't know about Lacy, but he would beat everyone else. It's even possible he would get caught by Bika or someone weird like that, who just swarmed and threw massive power punches. Unlikely but possible.

[Miburo]

If he fought Toney and Hopkins when Jones did, he has solid chances. I can't see him beating Ruiz though.

[Chr0nic]

how the **** would calzaghe beat ruiz when he has no power?, roy has power, thats why/how he was able to go t heavyweight and beat a champion, clazgahe would have no speed, and no power, a win?, not likely

[KingArthur]

Joe Calzaghe walks around at cruiserweight limit. He would NEVER EVER EVER EVER lose to John Ruiz. You people are ****ing crazy.

bcause his only chance would be to UD Ruiz, which he usually does with high workrate and high punch output. And at 200 lbs there is NO WAY IN HELL he would keep his same workrate and same amount of punches. He would be TOO heavy to fight his style, and fighting his style would be his ONLY chance

[wmute]

I can understand those whi think that Calzaghe could beat the Toney who fought Jones.

Big LOL @ those who think that he would beat the Hopkins who fought Jones. Based on what? Joe is open to that counter right, Hopkins had it forever. Calzaghe doesnt have the attributes to cause that version of Hopkins as many problems as Jones did.

[crold1]

These questions are ******...Roy didn't go through Roy's resume undefeated.

[wmute]

No, he would not have lost to McCallum, or Hill. Not at the same time that Jones fought them anyway. McCallum was completely done as an elite fighter by that stage and Hill was also past it. He had also just come off a wide loss to Michalzcweski before fighting Jones. His losing steak started with Darius. Calzaghe would have beaten them both I think.

He would have had the most trouble with Toney. I don't know why we're talking about Hopkins really because Calzaghe never fought at MW, so we really don't have a clue what he would have looked like there. One can only imagine that he would have been a bigger, more powerful, faster version of the one he was at SMW, wihch means he would have probably beaten B-Hop at the time Jones fought him also. I think he would have lost to Hop around the Tito time, when Hops had everything down to perfection. Stamina, aggression, defense etc. I take into account the SMW - LHW Jones fights most because Calzaghe was always SMW and only just moved to LHW so it's hard to say what he would have been like below or above that. I don't think he would have transitioned as well as Jones did though at all across the weights. He could have been a good MW, but I don't know, like Toney he may have been weight drained there. I don't think he would ever do well at HW though.

I honestly believe that even the Toney that Jones fought would have struggled with Calzaghe. We saw that if Toney was not one hundred % he could be out-boxed, and I think at that stage, Calzaghe could have out-boxed him. Very close fight, which could have gone either way. At their best, Toney beats Calzaghe, but Calzaghe has never hit a low like Toney has and the Jones fight was not Toney at one hundred % and I believe that Calzonie could have taken advantage of that, darting in and out, using angles much as Jones did to win a decision.

Calzaghe could not have competed at Heavyweight though. Ruiz would have beaten him I think by sheer size alone and being able to smother him.

Calzaghe would have had most trouble with some of the LHW's, apart from the HW division of course, and that is where doubt comes in for me. I do think he would have beaten Hill and McCallum. I think he may have struggled with some of the guys though. Griffin at one hundred % could have been a hard fight and Tarver would have been a hard fight for him. It's mainly Tarver that I can decide on. I do think he could have beaten Johnson, but that also would have been a mighty struggle because when Jones fought him he had developed into a good, solid pressure fighter. I still don't think Johnson has the tools to beat him though.

We did see with the Hop and Jones fight that he can beat solid, and in Hop, great LHW's that few fighters could beat. Jones had recently beaten Hanshaw and Prince Adjshimushimumkns and did so convincingly, whereas Calzaghe beat the living daylight out of Jones, who had not looked as sharp in many fights, which tells me he would have handled solid contenders with ease. That also leads me to believe that a guy like Tarver could have also been beaten by Calzaghe. Hopkins showed that good movement and angles can put Tarver right off his game. Dawson showed that recently too. Calzaghe is very good at doing that.

I know that many here do not like the idea that Calzaghe may have been able to do all that unbeaten but I honestly believe he could have gone through Jones' MW - LHW resume unbeaten, I just don't think he could have beaten a heavyweight. Not the right body for it. Jones and Toney both muscle up very well and both handled Ruiz well, whereas I don't think Calzaghe could do much higher than LHW well. Wrong body type.

You know, I don't think Calzaghe would go through Toney's resume unbeaten. He caught McCallum at the tail end of his prime and that's when he could have given Calzaghe problems, but not when Jones fought him. Nunn, at the early MW stage could have given Calz problems as well, but again, Nunn showed that he was a bit Judah-esque. Johnson was good when Toney fought him, and I think the Jones that Toney fought would have beaten Calzaghe. At the least, I think Calzaghe would have lost to Jonesin a close fight. Probably the closest of Jones' career. He was not good against southpaws, and back then Calzaghe was a very good southpaw. I think he would have struggled at CW as well, like against Jirov.

I totally disagree with the Hopkins part, Jones power and speed were a notch above anyone at 160. I don't see what Calzaghe could bring to the table, he'd be slower less powerful and would take the fight too aggressively. Jones could win the fight by potshotting, because even one punch at a time from him, was a big danger at 160 (Even a younger healthy wrists Calzaghe is still far in the power department).

That's not Calzaghe style: he likes to fight, he throws many punches, and ends up eating right hands, and there would be a lot coming, even by the so called "green" Hopkins.

I also disagree with Jones' not being good against southpaws. 8-0 before moving up to heavy. I don't think that would be the closest fight in Jones' career, I think the Hopkins one woulds still have been the closest up to Tarver 1.

As for Nunn, Toney did what he did also because his defense and chin are both all time material, cant say the same for JC, so it's not clear to me that Joe gets to the later rounds without being hurt and slowed down himself.

[Wiley Hyena]

how the **** would calzaghe beat ruiz when he has no power?, roy has power, thats why/how he was able to go t heavyweight and beat a champion, clazgahe would have no speed, and no power, a win?, not likely

Are you kidding? Ruiz was a JOKE. Mayweather could have outpointed that cry baby. Ruiz was a terrible fighter. He got lucky because he got to fight a washed up Holyfield, and made somewhat of a name for himself.

Prime Calzaghe would have made mincemeat out of the likes of John Ruiz. An easy all points victory at the very least.