A Guarantee - Roy Jones Won’t Beat Joe Calzaghe

[BLOODGOD]

They forgot boxing is crazy right now... Anything will happen.... B-hop ouclassing Pavlik, oh no, Pacman KO Oscar....

[bsrizpac]

Why are you guys so certain about him losing?
I mean if you know the history of boxing, how can you say one WILL lose for a fact since there were so many things people didn't give a chance and yet it failed.
In a nutshell, Roy the underdog we know, but something might happen what we didn't predict.

Tarver KO2
Tarver UD 12
Johnson KO 9

Jones is shot. That's why. He even looked like crap in Tarver 1 but gutted it out. I believe Jones was slipping even before the Woods fight. A guy like Woods should not have tagged Jones as much as he did, but that's another story. Point being Roy is shot. That is why he will not win.

Calzaghe's fans will trumpet this as a HUGE win and declare him the best fighter since Robinson. People with a brain know what is up. This is a joke fight. Roy should not have fought after Tarver 1. Hell technically not even after Ruiz.

[Stickman]

Tarver KO2
Tarver UD 12
Johnson KO 9

Jones is shot. That's why. He even looked like crap in Tarver 1 but gutted it out. I believe Jones was slipping even before the Woods fight. A guy like Woods should not have tagged Jones as much as he did, but that's another story. Point being Roy is shot. That is why he will not win.

Calzaghe's fans will trumpet this as a HUGE win and declare him the best fighter since Robinson. People with a brain know what is up. This is a joke fight. Roy should not have fought after Tarver 1. Hell technically not even after Ruiz.

Anybody with any sense knows Zaggs is, and should be, a heavy favorite going in. I think it's more the manner in which Calzaghe wins that'll be important, not whether he does or not. If he shows up, he should win unless, he gets knocked out by a guy who hasn't KO'd anyone in a long while. I'm more interested in how he adapts to Roy, or if he does at all, in the first half of the fight. That, as far as I'm concerned, is what's going to be worth watching here, not how it ends...if everything happens like it should, we all know how it'll end. I just really want to watch the scenery as I pass on the way to the destination. And don't go thinking that Roy is completely done...I think there will be a number of brilliant moments from Roy throughout the fight.

[DA1CATAS]

after eading the opening statement i didnt even need to continue... SAYING ROY JONES JR. HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING... IS RIDICULOUS.

DI THIS GUY NOT SEE WHAT HOPKINS DID? OF COURSE CALZAGHE IS MUCH BETTER THEN PAVLIK BUT.... HOPKINS IS AN ATG.. AND SO IS JONES WITH HIS UNIQUE STYLE AND UNCANNY GIFTS GIVEN TO HIM.


RULING HIM OUT LIKE THIS IS TOTALLY ABSURD. EVEN IF HE DOES LOSE ITS LUDACRIS TO START YA ARTICLE OFF THE WAY YOU DID.

[Miburo]

Seems like everybody wants to be Joe Namath these days.

[Chase8400]

But even in his prime, Roy wouldn't have been capable of the type of conditioning Calzaghe is. Wrong body type. And to be honest, I don't really believe Roy truly pushes himself during his roadwork/conditioning, probably never has.

Are you serious? have you ever seen Roy come into a fight out of shape before?................Hell No!

Did Roy ever get tired in any fight before moving up to heavyweight ?................Hell No!Never!

So how are you going to sit there and say Roy Jones under-trains for anything? He beat Lucas after playing a semi-pro basketball game the same damn day! That's how amazing of an athlete he really is. So don't make ignorant statements like that on here. The rest of what you said is sheerly opinion and i can accept that.

[Stickman]

Are you serious? have you ever seen Roy come into a fight out of shape before?................Hell No!

Did Roy ever get tired in any fight before moving up to heavyweight ?................Hell No!Never!

So how are you going to sit there and say Roy Jones under-trains for anything? He beat Lucas after playing a semi-pro basketball game the same damn day! That's how amazing of an athlete he really is. So don't make ignorant statements like that on here. The rest of what you said is sheerly opinion and i can accept that.

I never said he was out of shape...just that he isn't physically capable of the level of conditioning that Calzahge is. And it's not a big difference, but it's enough, because Calzaghe is a pressure fighter, and will force Roy to spend that energy completely to have a chance at keeping up with the pace and having a possibility of winning the decision.

And whether he undertrains...no, I don't think so, but again, I don't know if he truly pushes himself during his conditioning work. If he does, then again...I just don't think he can reach the level Joe can. It's a subtle difference, but enough of one to make a difference. Otherwise, I wouldn't be picking Calzaghe in this fight, or at least not in the manner I have.


You're really being a little touchy, friend. I'm not saying anything bad about Roy. I'm simply looking at the matchup from all possible angles and possibilities. It's what I do.

[steptwome]

after eading the opening statement i didnt even need to continue... SAYING ROY JONES JR. HAS NO CHANCE OF WINNING... IS RIDICULOUS.

DI THIS GUY NOT SEE WHAT HOPKINS DID? OF COURSE CALZAGHE IS MUCH BETTER THEN PAVLIK BUT.... HOPKINS IS AN ATG.. AND SO IS JONES WITH HIS UNIQUE STYLE AND UNCANNY GIFTS GIVEN TO HIM.


RULING HIM OUT LIKE THIS IS TOTALLY ABSURD. EVEN IF HE DOES LOSE ITS LUDACRIS TO START YA ARTICLE OFF THE WAY YOU DID.

After analyzing this I fully support that stance

Calzaghe vs ?
1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.

[Chase8400]

I never said he was out of shape...just that he isn't physically capable of the level of conditioning that Calzahge is. And it's not a big difference, but it's enough, because Calzaghe is a pressure fighter, and will force Roy to spend that energy completely to have a chance at keeping up with the pace and having a possibility of winning the decision.

And whether he undertrains...no, I don't think so, but again, I don't know if he truly pushes himself during his conditioning work. If he does, then again...I just don't think he can reach the level Joe can. It's a subtle difference, but enough of one to make a difference. Otherwise, I wouldn't be picking Calzaghe in this fight, or at least not in the manner I have.


You're really being a little touchy, friend. I'm not saying anything bad about Roy. I'm simply looking at the matchup from all possible angles and possibilities. It's what I do.

Not touchy at all. I don't get acually pissed off on here or anything. I just think that was a really ignorant statement. You are summing up the current Roy Jones in the same catagory at the other Super Roy that we all know was a different animal altogether. I want to make something clear: Roy Jones would have Ko'd Joe Calzaghe had they fought anytime pre 2003. He was a better, more gifted fighter in every aspect, including endurance than Joe could ever strive to be.

My point being that Joe is not physically on Jones' level prime for prime , unlike what you are stating as being the opposite.-end

[Stickman]

Not touchy at all. I don't get acually pissed off on here or anything. I just think that was a really ignorant statement. You are summing up the current Roy Jones in the same catagory at the other Super Roy that we all know was a different animal altogether. I want to make something clear: Roy Jones would have Ko'd Joe Calzaghe had they fought anytime pre 2003. He was a better, more gifted fighter in every aspect, including endurance than Joe could ever strive to be.

My point being that Joe is not physically on Jones' level prime for prime , unlike what you are stating as being the opposite.-end

Conditioning is not something that everyone can reach the same level on. People with more muscle mass and slightly lower body fat canNOT reach the same level as someone who isn't as heavily muscled, and with a slightly higher body fat percentage. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH ROY'S ATHLETIC ABILITIES.

Having been at that level of conditioning for several years of my younger life, and watch different people struggle and fail to reach that plateau, I know the body types that can achieve it, and those that can't. And again, the difference is small, but enough to make the difference, especially at these higher levels of the sport. Calzaghe's conditioning is really the biggest key to his success, in my opinion. It's part of why he's got such a great chin, why he can throw over 1000 punches in a fight and still stand, and why he can put non-stop pressure on his opponents and know they're going to gas before he does.

And whether you choose to trust my knowledge of this or not, with both at similar age, Roy would've never been able to reach quite the same level of conditioning as Calzaghe. WRONG BODY TYPE.

I'm hardly speaking from ignorance, I assure you.