A Guarantee - Roy Jones Won’t Beat Joe Calzaghe

[Truth]

Stickman is a good poster. hes not a hater. Hes looks at both sides of the argument. hes definitley one my favorite posters. Its weird I havn't really seen him on here until recently. Stick have you been coming here over the years?

[bsrizpac]

Conditioning is not something that everyone can reach the same level on. People with more muscle mass and slightly lower body fat canNOT reach the same level as someone who isn't as heavily muscled, and with a slightly higher body fat percentage. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH ROY'S ATHLETIC ABILITIES.

Having been at that level of conditioning for several years of my younger life, and watch different people struggle and fail to reach that plateau, I know the body types that can achieve it, and those that can't. And again, the difference is small, but enough to make the difference, especially at these higher levels of the sport. Calzaghe's conditioning is really the biggest key to his success, in my opinion. It's part of why he's got such a great chin, why he can throw over 1000 punches in a fight and still stand, and why he can put non-stop pressure on his opponents and know they're going to gas before he does.

And whether you choose to trust my knowledge of this or not, with both at similar age, Roy would've never been able to reach quite the same level of conditioning as Calzaghe. WRONG BODY TYPE.

I'm hardly speaking from ignorance, I assure you.

Basically I agree. That's why Calzaghe can throw 10 billion arm punches and not get tired from it.

[Chase8400]

After analyzing this I fully support that stance

Calzaghe vs ?
1. WBO title challenge - Chris Eubank , who had twice been beaten by Steve Collins , and was badly weight drained . UD 12
2. Branko Sobot - he came into the fight with a record of 14-1 , he had beaten nobody - was a very poor fighter and none puncher , is now 19-11.
3. Juan Gimenez - had already bean beaten byEubank , Nigel Benn and Roberto Duran , was a poor opponent with no chance of winning.
4.Robin Reid , this was a very close fight , many felt Reid was robbed ,Calzaghe didn't help his cause by telling us he would ko Reid as "he cant take my power " jibe was ranted. Reid had lost his title to an ancient Thulane Malinga prior to fighting Calzaghe. - SD12.
5. Rick Thornberry ,KOED by Henry Wharton prior to this fight , he earned the shot at Calzaghe by beating 3 fighters with records as follows 1-0
8-23-5 , 5-26-1 . a disgraceful choice of opponent. UD12.
6. David Starie , who had been previously stopped in a British title fight by Dean Francis ,done nothing to earn title fight. - UD12 was a sleeper.
7. Omar Sheika had lost prior to the title shot to Tony Booth 28 -44-7 ,
but he had at least beaten Glen Johnson to earn shot. TKO5.
8. Richie Woodhall ,lost to Keith Holmes , had lost his title to Marcus Byer , and earned title shot by beating former welterweight Errol Mcdonald. TKO 10.
9. Mario Veit , undefeated but untested , brushed aside with ease . two fights before his title shot had beaten one Errol Mcdonald . TKO1.
10. Will Mcintrye , this undeserving challenger had lost to Dana Rosenblatt , and earned his shot by beating Jessie Marsh 9-3-1 . and Charles Daughtry 9-25-2 , this is a joke fighter. TKO 4.
11. Charles Brewer , this hot and cold fighter was always erratic , had lost prior on two occasions to Sven Ottke , and had be KOED by Antwan Echols, Lonnie Beasley etc. UD12.
12. Miguel Jimenez , this guy had beaten nobody to earn shot , lost to Brian Magee in his next fight also. UD12.
13. Tocker Pudwill , well this guy has to be the worst of the bunch , had lost prior to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? he earned his shot at Calzaghe by beating the following , Enrico Ramirez 5-12-1 , Donnie Pendleton 13 -139-4 ,Larry Kenney 9-32-2 , Kwan Manassah 6-16-2. now i may not like Warren or Calzaghe but this fight was a joke.TKO2.
14. Byron Mitchell , this guy at least had a good punch as he showed by flooring Calzaghe , but had lost his prior fight to Sven Ottke , sound familiar ? exciting fight anyhow. TKO 2.
15. Mger Mkratchian , this guy had earned his shot by beating a guy with a record of 2-31 , another poor fighter. TKO 7.
16. Kabary Salem , this guy had lost his prior fight to Mario Veit , after the Calzaghe fight he was KOED by Luciano Bute. UD12.
17. Mario Veit , Veit did do better than the first fight , but still was outgunned. TKO6.
18. Evans Ashira, this guy was pretty limited , he had been KOED two fights earlier by Maselino Masoe , but lasted the distance . UD12.
19. Jeff Lacy , Lacy had looked a beast against Robin Reid , he entered the right with21 wins 17 KO'S , was over hyped , Calzaghe put his finest performance so far , handing Lacy his ass. For the record Jeff Lacy hasn't scored a KO since the Calzaghe fight. UD12.
20. Peter Manfredo JR , happy to be here Manfredo was light years from being world class , he also looked a division to small. Another poor fighter. TKO3.
21. Sakio Bika , another limited fighter , fought dirty and lost widely. UD12.
22.Mikkel Kessler , undefeated and by far the most complete fighter Calzaghe had fought so far , an excellent performance , his finest for me,
Kessler has gone on to regain a title at SM. UD12.
23. Fought a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins , was floored in the first , fight was close , Hopkins didnt fight with any urgency . Another good performance .Hopkins has gone on to beat Kelly Pavlik .SD 12.

This has alot to do with the predictions I have made about Jones upsetting Calzaghe. He is def. a LIVE opponent.

[Stickman]

Stickman is a good poster. hes not a hater. Hes looks at both sides of the argument. hes definitley one my favorite posters. Its weird I havn't really seen him on here until recently. Stick have you been coming here over the years?

Sure, off and on for a few years. Never changed my name, or used an alias. I'm forced, however, on occasion, to take a break from the forum due to endless ******ity of some of the more moronic members. Sometimes for a few months, sometimes longer. A fella can only take so much, you know

[Truth]

Sure, off and on for a few years. Never changed my name, or used an alias. I'm forced, however, on occasion, to take a break from the forum due to endless ******ity of some of the more moronic members. Sometimes for a few months, sometimes longer. A fella can only take so much, you know

lol. some people are ridiculous and gets annoying. I was actually thinking of not coming in nsb until after this fight. I'm tired of hearing the same thing, and the saying the same things in response.

[Stickman]

lol. some people are ridiculous and gets annoying. I was actually thinking of not coming in nsb until after this fight. I'm tired of hearing the same thing, and the saying the same things in response.

Yep, I think I've given my opinion on how this fight goes about 8 or 10 times on several threads...should be easy enough to make me look like an idiot if the fight goes completely different

The only guys that really bug me are the ones that just refuse to believe facts put on display right in front of them. Well, those and the haters. I can even understand alot of the bias...everybody has their favorite guys, I do too, but that's no reason to just make **** up, or to just refuse to see what's right in front of you. Makes me wonder what their real lives are like.

[Truth]

Yep, I think I've given my opinion on how this fight goes about 8 or 10 times on several threads...should be easy enough to make me look like an idiot if the fight goes completely different

The only guys that really bug me are the ones that just refuse to believe facts put on display right in front of them. Well, those and the haters. I can even understand alot of the bias...everybody has their favorite guys, I do too, but that's no reason to just make **** up, or to just refuse to see what's right in front of you. Makes me wonder what their real lives are like.

i think the good posters on here can put their biases aside. The example I always use is Hopkins-Calzaghe. I'm a Hopkins fan, hes one of my favorite boxers of all time. However, I didn't think he was going to win that fight, and predicted a Calzaghe win. I'm not just going to pick Hopkins because I like him.

[Chase8400]

Conditioning is not something that everyone can reach the same level on. People with more muscle mass and slightly lower body fat canNOT reach the same level as someone who isn't as heavily muscled, and with a slightly higher body fat percentage. It has NOTHING TO DO WITH ROY'S ATHLETIC ABILITIES.

Having been at that level of conditioning for several years of my younger life, and watch different people struggle and fail to reach that plateau, I know the body types that can achieve it, and those that can't. And again, the difference is small, but enough to make the difference, especially at these higher levels of the sport. Calzaghe's conditioning is really the biggest key to his success, in my opinion. It's part of why he's got such a great chin, why he can throw over 1000 punches in a fight and still stand, and why he can put non-stop pressure on his opponents and know they're going to gas before he does.

And whether you choose to trust my knowledge of this or not, with both at similar age, Roy would've never been able to reach quite the same level of conditioning as Calzaghe. WRONG BODY TYPE.

I'm hardly speaking from ignorance, I assure you.

I understand the concept you entertain. But def. do not beleive that philosophy. Alot of athletes are naturally muscular like Jones and have great endurance as well. We both know the body needs blood in the muscles and larger muscles obviously would retain more blood. I'm no physician, but that does not explain how one athlete can do the same things at one weight with one body type and another can do the same things at the same weight with a different body type. The weight has to be somewhwere, and the heart pumps at about the same rate based on the weight. Your concept may be able to be proven medically, but taking what you have said in consideration up until this point is only opinion, no matter how well the opinion is presented.

[Stickman]

i think the good posters on here can put their biases aside. The example I always use is Hopkins-Calzaghe. I'm a Hopkins fan, hes one of my favorite boxers of all time. However, I didn't think he was going to win that fight, and predicted a Calzaghe win. I'm not just going to pick Hopkins because I like him.

Wanting someone to win, and picking them to win are two entirely different matters. I sort of lean towards wanting Roy to win this upcoming fight, for alot of reasons, but mostly I think because I'd really like to see him end his career on such a high note, but knowing what I know, I just can't pick him to win, not with any realistic expectation of it happening. And to be honest, I think the chance I feel he has (somewhere between 10% and 20%) is a fairly decent chance, and maybe even more than he really has. Certainly a better chance than I'd give most that are this big of an underdog going into a fight like this. Think about it...a nearly 4/1 underdog? That means the bookies probably give him less than a 5% chance at a win, less than half what I do.

[Trevbutler]

You know before Hopkins took Pavlik to school I was convinced that Hopkins was a shot fighter. The only recent fights I watched of his were both Taylor fights and Calzaghe. From those fights it just looked like he was done. But then he comes in and puts a beat down on a young powerful middleweight.

I believe RJJ is shot. I seen him get knocked out. I seen him look very lackluster against Hanshaw. I think he should have retired after his win over Ruiz....

BUT, after seeing what Hopkins pulled off I cannot completely rule anything out. But then again Hopkins didnt get knocked out twice.

All being said though, I will probably buy the fight. I was going to buy Hopkins/Pavlik but my cable was out so I couldnt watch it. So I'll just buy this one instead. Maybe I'll watch a piece of history. I definately dont feel like watching Pacman get KO'd by a middleweight. And thats the really only other PPV in the near future.