Top 10 160-175lbs

[slicksouthpaw16]

You obviously don't know much about Eubank Then !
Cause after the Watson fight Eubank went on to have and win that Epic first fight with Nigel Benn ! And get a draw in a rematch!
He then fought a for the cruzerweight title twice and acquitted him self well all though he was giving away loads in size to his opponent!
I dont rate Tarver over Eubank !
Whos the best wins Tarver has on his resume?? and dose those wins realy count?

I hate to be picky but you have all of these fights confused. The first Benn/Eubank fight was before the Watson fights and the second Benn/Eubank was the draw, where Eubank didn't really the press and only did what it took to win, and he barely escaped with a draw. Tarver beat Woods, Griffen, Jones(x2) Johnson, Eric Harding and a lot of other good contenders. Those wins surpass everything that Eubank has done. Now lets add to the equation that Tarver was TWICE UNDISPUTED champion and was once top 5 pound for pound. When has Eubank ever been ranked that high? Again he is a very good fighter with tremendous skills, but hewas not willing to come to the states to fight the big names. He was broke after the Watson fight and that really ruined his career.

[roundingace]

Yes mate, we can all make up a big song and dance about everyone.

His title is still paper and he hasnt been tested against someone on Calzaghe's level.

40 year old Glen Johnson was his biggest test and I personally dont think he passed at all.

Anyone find it funny that Calzaghe is constantly shat on on this forum for fighting Hopkins and Jones - even though he's 37 himself.

Yet 26 year old Dawson fights two 40 year olds in a row and nothing gets said.

I got nothing against Dawson , I like him actually but Ive just never been a fan of double standards.

Shut the **** up you ****** ****! **** you and always having to make a ****** Euro biased point to make yourself seem smarter than you are. Dawson is better than Kessler - - PERIOD. JC that and Kessler that - ANY AMERICAN who is compared to ANY Euro in your eyes - is debatable. It's not our fault we live where the REAL boxing world lives. If you ain't fighting in America, you ain't fighting *****! **** your backyard bums who come over here and get completely ****ing OWNED! (Hatton for example) (Even though I love Ricky) Quit turning everything into a ****ing Euro is better than America war because in all honesty - you aren't. USA *****!

[CiganoBoxer]

I hate to be picky but you have all of these fights confused. The first Benn/Eubank fight was before the Watson fights and the second Benn/Eubank was the draw, where Eubank didn't really the press and only did what it took to win, and he barely escaped with a draw. Tarver beat Woods, Griffen, Jones(x2) Johnson, Eric Harding and a lot of other good contenders. Those wins surpass everything that Eubank has done. Now lets add to the equation that Tarver was TWICE UNDISPUTED champion and was once top 5 pound for pound. When has Eubank ever been ranked that high? Again he is a very good fighter with tremendous skills, but hewas not willing to come to the states to fight the big names. He was broke after the Watson fight and that really ruined his career.

Sorry mate for some reason i did get the first fight jumbled up in my head !
For me Tarvers best win was aginst Roy jones !
Most of the fighters on Tarvers record had been beaten up by a lot of other fighters before Tarver fought them!
And i think the only reason he beat Jones was due to Jones going up and down the weights !

[CiganoBoxer]

Shut the **** up you ****** ****! **** you and always having to make a ****** Euro biased point to make yourself seem smarter than you are. Dawson is better than Kessler - - PERIOD. JC that and Kessler that - ANY AMERICAN who is compared to ANY Euro in your eyes - is debatable. It's not our fault we live where the REAL boxing world lives. If you ain't fighting in America, you ain't fighting *****! **** your backyard bums who come over here and get completely ****ing OWNED! (Hatton for example) (Even though I love Ricky) Quit turning everything into a ****ing Euro is better than America war because in all honesty - you aren't. USA *****!

You really need to go to the uk or cypruss for a holiday mate!
It will help you with all that Euro hate you have:boobies:

[roundingace]

You really need to go to the uk or cypruss for a holiday mate!
It will help you with all that Euro hate you have:boobies:

I do apologize if it comes across that I hate anything Euro, because I don't. I just hate ****** mother****ers and Dirk Diggler is as ****** as they come. I'm sorry he's from over there sir.

[theghost#1]

Well if you don't like it make your own list then.

[theghost#1]

I think you can add Pacquiao to that list since it's fashionable for guys in every division to call him out now. I'm surprised Valuev has started hyping the Russian giant vs the phillipino terror in the Moscow Massacre.

what ever floats your boat.

[Ryn0]

Your is a decent list I'd sway kessler and Pavlik around though

[Ryn0]

I hate to be picky but you have all of these fights confused. The first Benn/Eubank fight was before the Watson fights and the second Benn/Eubank was the draw, where Eubank didn't really the press and only did what it took to win, and he barely escaped with a draw. Tarver beat Woods, Griffen, Jones(x2) Johnson, Eric Harding and a lot of other good contenders. Those wins surpass everything that Eubank has done. Now lets add to the equation that Tarver was TWICE UNDISPUTED champion and was once top 5 pound for pound. When has Eubank ever been ranked that high? Again he is a very good fighter with tremendous skills, but hewas not willing to come to the states to fight the big names. He was broke after the Watson fight and that really ruined his career.

Have to disagree here Eubank was alot better than Tarver IMO, Woods I never rated that highly, he became chamo by default once the division was empty he beat Hoye to get the title. Griffen had lost to Dariusz and Harding by then, Jones had to drop from 200 to 175 and Johnson split the pair with Tarver. All his wins have come at odd times where Tarver be it his fault or not hasn't beaten them at there best or the opponents had come about to there position because of the void RJJ left behnd.

Eubank beat Benn who IMO is better than anyone on Tarvers resume that he beat at the time he fought them, Watson is in the same position IMO, Malinga, Rocchigiani etc are equivilant to the Woods, Harding and Griffin wins.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Tell me a good top level champion that Eubank has beaten after the Calzaghe fight or even the Watson tragedy? Just because he goes the distantce with the cruiserweight champion( that beat him decisively twice) does not mean that he was in his prime. Again he was never the same after Watson. Also, elaborate on how Johnson was ''clearly not'' still able to compete against the elite? What indicated that at all?

How does a fighter's performance change the outcome of the fight? That was Dawson's toughest test against his toughest opponents, and the main point is that Dawson got the win. He is young and at the stage where he can and will learn from his mistakes. Was Calzaghe not knocked down by Bryon Mitchell and another lesser opponent? Calzaghe won the fight and at the end of the day, its all that matters.

Lets compare Tarver's and Eubank's oppsition and accomplishments in the ring and see who was the overall better and greater fighter. Tarver will win everytime. Eubank was not willing to come over here to the USA to get the big money fights and prove himself against the elite. He was a very good champion, but not on Tarver's level when it comes to accomplishments. Tarver not only fought but beat the best light heavyweights of that era he was champion.

Now you're getting lazy with your arguments.

Eubank was beaten convincingly? Even though he dropped Thompson and lost by a point on two cards. Yeah mate, he lost so convincingly that the public demanded a rematch like they do with all convincing wins. Remember how the public was crying out for Floyd vs Gatti 2?

And yeah, he was beat convincingly in the rematch too. Because being stopped because your eye has swollen shut whilst you're WINNING the fight, is a complete and utter domination by the opponent.

Johnson is a guy who competes with the elite but rarely does enough to win. He's a gatekeeper, a test fighter that if you aint on your game, he'll punish you. Eubank was an undefeated supremely talented two weight champion. ****ing get a grip comparing him to Glen Johnson and Tarver.

Glen Johnson has lost to some less than stellar names ( wait you're gonna tell me they're all robberies lol) yet he's still an "elite fighter". But Eubank comes back and is competitve against a champion who is 20lbs above his natural weight and he's "shot". Please.....

Dawson got beat up and pushed around the ring by 40 year old Johnson - in a fight I think he lost. Calzaghe never had that happen to him against Eubank or Byron Mitchell who he KOed straight after being dropped.

And last but not least, the brilliance of your final paragraph. Eubank was not willing to come over to the States. Riiiight yeah, even though he grew up in The Bronx and had most of his early fights in America. The **** fought in Egypt for ****s sake.

But screw that stay-at-home Euro bum.

Tarver's achievements? Beating Roy Jones (who most considered to be shot) in a rematch. Beating Glen Johnson in a rematch. And beating those elite greats Clinton and Eric Harding.

Theres no arguing with that.