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I watched the fight and it was competitive, but that was mainly it. I had Eubank losing by 4 points in their first fight but that's just my opinion. Did i miss the part where Eubank won or beat a good top level champion after Calzaghe or even Watson? You are completely ignoring ALL of my questions at this point. Again, what indicated that Eubank wasn't shot? I also asked what PRIME fighter did Joe beat when he only had 23 fights. Dawson beat Adamek, who is undefeated and stopped last year's cruiser weight champion O'Neil Bell. As i have already stated, Dawson is also fighter better opponents that Joe has and is taking much more risks. Joe went on a long string of title defenses against opponents that were like 10-1. Just look at the opponents that Chad is fighting with only 26 fights with his name. Eric Harding, Glen Johnson, Adamek, Antonio Tarver ectera.
Dawson, Woods( controversially) and Tarver are the only ones that beat Johnson once he hit his true stride. Those earlier losses were fights that he took on short notice and some WERE robberies, but i am not using that as an excuse for anything. One thing i must say is that i have seen his fight with Omar Shieka and it clearly looked like he won and Sheika was awarded with a knockdown that never happened.
Its funny that you use Eubank being ''competitive'' as an indication of anything. In case you didn't know, fighters are actually suppose to win fights. What has Eubank done or who has he beaten that was as good as being undisputed light heavyweight champion, beating Jones, Woods and Tarver is the SAME year. Again he was a very good fighter, however not on the elite level.
I also liked the way you dodged my challenge to compare the two resume's.( Eubanks and Tarver's) so we can compare them. Anyone that also believes this and wants to help you out can answer this question as well.
No one can actually watched that fight and say that Johnson won. Don't believe what you hear on these forums and actually watch the fight. Outside of Johnson noticeably rattling Dawson in rounds 3 and 10, Johnson didn't accomplish a WHOLE lot in the fight. Chad was putting all of those other rounds in the bank, and was still fighting back WHILE he was hurt and on the retreat. I score the fight 1 point for Dawson every time that i watch it.
What high profile fights that Eubank fight in the USA? Name one. You are just spewing things. How would fighting a few American fighters earlier in your career be any indication?
Jones was not SHOT. Id say past his best, but no where near shot. What people tend to forget is the fact that Jones had beaten Tarver in their first fight so clearly he had something left. He fights Tarver a couple of months later, gets blown out and now hes all of a sudden shot? Please, again don't believe what some people tell you about fights. Its good to have your own opinion.
Dawson, Woods( controversially) and Tarver are the only ones that beat Johnson once he hit his true stride. Those earlier losses were fights that he took on short notice and some WERE robberies, but i am not using that as an excuse for anything. One thing i must say is that i have seen his fight with Omar Shieka and it clearly looked like he won and Sheika was awarded with a knockdown that never happened.
Its funny that you use Eubank being ''competitive'' as an indication of anything. In case you didn't know, fighters are actually suppose to win fights. What has Eubank done or who has he beaten that was as good as being undisputed light heavyweight champion, beating Jones, Woods and Tarver is the SAME year. Again he was a very good fighter, however not on the elite level.
I also liked the way you dodged my challenge to compare the two resume's.( Eubanks and Tarver's) so we can compare them. Anyone that also believes this and wants to help you out can answer this question as well.
No one can actually watched that fight and say that Johnson won. Don't believe what you hear on these forums and actually watch the fight. Outside of Johnson noticeably rattling Dawson in rounds 3 and 10, Johnson didn't accomplish a WHOLE lot in the fight. Chad was putting all of those other rounds in the bank, and was still fighting back WHILE he was hurt and on the retreat. I score the fight 1 point for Dawson every time that i watch it.
What high profile fights that Eubank fight in the USA? Name one. You are just spewing things. How would fighting a few American fighters earlier in your career be any indication?
Jones was not SHOT. Id say past his best, but no where near shot. What people tend to forget is the fact that Jones had beaten Tarver in their first fight so clearly he had something left. He fights Tarver a couple of months later, gets blown out and now hes all of a sudden shot? Please, again don't believe what some people tell you about fights. Its good to have your own opinion.
Your initial point was that even though Johnson regularly loses to average fighters, that he was still competitive at the top level because he held his own against Dawson. That was your argument for Johnson being in his prime at 40.
Yet Eubank is "shot" cos he gave Joe his hardest fight , loses narrowly to a Cruiserweight whilst knocking him down and then loses on a eye injury whilst winning against said Cruiserweight.
I would argue that both Eubank and Johnson were past their best but still tough enough to compete with younger guys like Joe and Chad. Although comparing Johnson to Eubank would be rather silly as Eubank is quite supremely better.
Eubank not elite? But Johnson is?
Dont embarrass yourself son. 23 fights? Is that the magic number? A past his prime Eubank is bigger test than Adamek.
Dawson is fighting Tarver who got beat by Old Man Hopkins......so how can Joe be taking easier fights?
Dawson is taking some good fights and good for him. I have no issue with him. The issue I had was that you rate him over Kessler cos Kessler is an unproven paper champ. When thats exactly what Dawson is.
Ive watched the fight young man. Dont disrespect your betters now. I watched it before Clinton failed to show up against Tarver. Now Im happy to debate with you but when you start acting like a twat, I might need to slap you in line. I scored the fight for Johnson, I have no care or affiliation towards either guy but I could see how people could score for Chad.
You clearly have a raging boner for Dawson and you claim anyone who watched it would score for him. I'll leave it to others to decide whos being impartial.
You said Eubank wasnt willing to come to America. How can that be the case when he fought there? When he fought in other fighters home towns in front of hostile crowds? Its quite a laughable claim to suggest he was unwilling to go anywhere. You clearly dont know Eubank.
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