Jones has as much chance of beating Calz as Judah had of beating Clottey

[Mr. Philadel]

This Jones fight is going to influence opinion on Calzaghe more than any other. Unless Calzaghe is shot now, he should dominate and I think more than any other fight it'll make some people realise that Calzaghe is very good. It shouldn't be that way, but a lot of people here still seem to believe Roy is the fighter he used to be, so when Calzaghe beats him they're gonna be surprised and in some cases even be impressed. I think even some guys who know Jones is all but done now will be affected like this too, Roy Jones is Roy Jones and still has that aura about him for many.
The other thing of course, is that many really love Jones and seeing him beat is going to piss them off, and some will hate Calzaghe even more than they already do, exactly like Tarver is hated.

Dam dawg, you be hittin **** on point

[MWMerlino]

I don't think the Brits have a very firm grasp on the general consensus in the boxing community. Calzaghe is respected but definitely not celebrated and that is because his best wins are not against impressive competition. Whether you like it or not--Lacy looked like complete garbage against a journeyman, 43 year old B-Hop dropped him in the 1st and exposed his weak offense all the way to a SD, and Mikkel Kessler is more concerned with the Hausslers and Sartisons of the world to even count.

Now Calzaghe wants to take on RJJ who is well past his prime?

As stout Calzaghe fans, I understand, you are behind him no matter what and are easily impressed with everything he does--but the boxing community is not so easily swayed.

Again, why would Lacy have held odds over Calzaghe?

Because the world saw him as a protected European champion who climbed out of obscurity in his mid-30's only to take on shot American HOF'ers that earned every inch of their career.

With that said:

RJJ W Calzaghe.

Good luck you British *******s.

[abadger]

I don't think the Brits have a very firm grasp on the general consensus in the boxing community.

What consensus are we talking about here? The one that places Calzaghe at a solid #2 on the P4P list? I'd like to see what would constitute a favourable consensus from the boxing community!

Of course if by 'boxing community' you mean 'US fanboys who are unwilling or unable to accept that a UK fighter might be one of the world's best', then ****, you may have a point!

Again, why would Lacy have held odds over Calzaghe?

I don't know, maybe because Calzaghe was drastically underrated due to the US boxing community preferring to trust their preconceptions rather than actually taking a good look at the fighter and that same community just assuming that Lacy was the goods because he was a US champ?

[Clegg]

I don't think the Brits have a very firm grasp on the general consensus in the boxing community. Calzaghe is respected but definitely not celebrated and that is because his best wins are not against impressive competition. Whether you like it or not--Lacy looked like complete garbage against a journeyman, 43 year old B-Hop dropped him in the 1st and exposed his weak offense all the way to a SD, and Mikkel Kessler is more concerned with the Hausslers and Sartisons of the world to even count.

Now Calzaghe wants to take on RJJ who is well past his prime?

As stout Calzaghe fans, I understand, you are behind him no matter what and are easily impressed with everything he does--but the boxing community is not so easily swayed.

I don't think you understand at all (and most of what you've said isn't directly related to the subject at hand)

Like most people who are incapable of reasonable debate, you set up a strawman and attack it instead of dealing with the arguments of those you disagree with. Most of your post is ad hominem nonsense.

I look at Calzaghe, see qualities that I like, and therefore am a fan. According to you, I become a fan for no reason at all, and then lie about his attributes in order to show them in a positive light.

Which scenario is more likely?

Again, why would Lacy have held odds over Calzaghe?

Because the world saw him as a protected European champion

It's shame how often certain people need to be told this: America is not the world.

Don't attempt to rationalise you ignorance by claiming that it was shared by many others.

Lacy was American and benefitted from that. Even though he was less impressive than Calzaghe against their shared opposition, Lacy had more hype and praise.

I pay attention to boxers regardless of where they fight or where they come from. You should try it.

who climbed out of obscurity in his mid-30's only to take on shot American HOF'ers that earned every inch of their career.

What is this nonsense? Almost all boxers earn every inch of their careers. Lacy received more praise than Calzaghe coming up to their fight, but Calzaghe had done more to earn it. But I'm sure you overlook this.

With that said:

RJJ W Calzaghe.

Good luck you British *******s.

I remember when I first discussed something with you. Unlike you, I don't insult people because of their nationality of because they dislike a boxer that I like. You were whining about Calzaghe fans giving you red K. I agreed that some can be idiotic, and asked who. You said it was Tunney. Then Tunney entered the thread and revealed that you had given him red K first, and he was only retaliating. You had no response.

Since then you've made several posts that are little more than nationalistic crap.

You seem quite sad and petty.

[Clegg]

i really dont mean to offend you abadger but i cant decide if your opinon on Boxing stinks so bad because you are so biased towards Calzaghe or its because you have not been following the sport very long and dont seem to understand it very well


abadger you see what you want to see when it comes to Boxing you are the type who watches other SMW ,LHW to view them so you can make an argement when someone puts them up against Joe Calzaghe

You're one to talk.

I remember you saying that Dawson's performance against Adamek was the finest of the last few years, and dismissing the knockdown as unimportant.

But when it comes to Calzaghe, you claim that the KD he suffered amounted to a "boxing lesson".

It seems as if you're pretty biased yourself.

[S A M U R A I]

Joe Calzaghe lose his last fight?

Pffff... I can't believe anyone's even debating this! When are people gonna understand -- this is Joe's time, not Jones' comeback. Roy has had his day. Now he's doing it for the payday. It's Joe's turn to seal his place in history, and that's how it's been written.



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[mitch12]

I don't think the Brits have a very firm grasp on the general consensus in the boxing community. Calzaghe is respected but definitely not celebrated and that is because his best wins are not against impressive competition. Whether you like it or not--Lacy looked like complete garbage against a journeyman, 43 year old B-Hop dropped him in the 1st and exposed his weak offense all the way to a SD, and Mikkel Kessler is more concerned with the Hausslers and Sartisons of the world to even count.

Now Calzaghe wants to take on RJJ who is well past his prime?

As stout Calzaghe fans, I understand, you are behind him no matter what and are easily impressed with everything he does--but the boxing community is not so easily swayed.

Again, why would Lacy have held odds over Calzaghe?

Because the world saw him as a protected European champion who climbed out of obscurity in his mid-30's only to take on shot American HOF'ers that earned every inch of their career.

With that said:

RJJ W Calzaghe.

Good luck you British *******s.

your one mouthy piece of **** come say that to a Brit and see your face smashed in.

[Truth]

It doesn't bother me that most believe Calzaghe will win, afterall that is the logical choice. What does bother me is how some act like Roy has no chance. The reason that bothers me is I feel people are hyping Calzaghe up too much. Calzaghe isn't Tyson of 1988. If I didn't know better, I would think he was. Joe Calzaghe is a great fighter, but he is beatable just as Jones was. He also only 4 year younger than Roy Jones and has had just about the same amount of fights. Is Roy the guy to beat Joe? Maybe not, but I just think the certainty in which people are writing Roy off suggests that Calzaghe is something unbelievable. I've seen Calzaghe, great fighter...but hes not unbelievable. I think its going to be an exciting fight, and honestly if Calzaghe wins fair and square I(and many others) will give him alot of credit. Let the best man win...

[Truth]

I also want to say that I never said Jones was the fighter he once was.(I know abadger didn't direct that at me but I just want let it be known). I understand the Roy Jones Jr. of 1988-2003 is long gone. But what I've continued to say is that Roy Jones now is still a good fighter. Roy can still do some good things out there even now...

[abadger]

It doesn't bother me that most believe Calzaghe will win, afterall that is the logical choice. What does bother me is how some act like Roy has no chance. The reason that bothers me is I feel people are hyping Calzaghe up too much. Calzaghe isn't Tyson of 1988. If I didn't know better, I would think he was. Joe Calzaghe is a great fighter, but he is beatable just as Jones was. He also only 4 year younger than Roy Jones and has had just about the same amount of fights. Is Roy the guy to beat Joe? Maybe not, but I just think the certainty in which people are writing Roy off suggests that Calzaghe is something unbelievable. I've seen Calzaghe, great fighter...but hes not unbelievable. I think its going to be an exciting fight, and honestly if Calzaghe wins fair and square I(and many others) will give him alot of credit. Let the best man win...

This is all very well, but it neglects one simple fact: Calzaghe does not need to be 'unbelievable' to beat Jones, he merely needs to be himself. The pressure and intensity he showed against Hopkins will alone be enough to beat todays Jones, who is not very mobile and not very active. If Calzaghe is still capable of the type of movement he showed against Lacy and Kessler then he will dominate Jones from start to finish. Writing off Jones' chances is not about being a fan, but more, as you point out, about being logical.