De La Hoya Says Pacquiao Not Worth More Than Floyd

[edgarg]

lol, well I do, and that's all that counts lol...

That's what I call real mean.............

[edgarg]

The underlined is semantics, not a lie and you know it. Just answer these simple questions. Did Marquez turn down Pac for the highest purse he had ever been offered by far? And did he fight Chris John for 25 times less money? There is no way for you to answer anything but yes to both questions. And if that is the case then you have been caught lying again by saying and insinuating the Pacquiao didn't want the fight but instead waited for him to get old. My facts cannot be disputed, whereas your ASSumptions can.

I seem to remember that Marquez's "want" figure was $1.5 mill. I think that's why Arum walked away so definitely, feeling that with that sort of demand, there was no dealing with him. Someone with real evidence, please correct me if I'm wrong.

[edgarg]

lol, well I do, and that's all that counts lol...

I should also apologise for sticking my nose into your argument.

[joseph5620]

I really don't think $20 million is equivalent to the proposed 70-30 split. 20 mil were part of Manny's demands and if he was getting that much even with a 30% take, then he would have taken the fight. I think he's looking at a little under 15 million.

I do agree with Arum about negotiation etiquette. You don't propose a 70-30 split, spend time in working out the other issues such as weight and glove size knowing fully well that you won't budge from your initial proposal. You're just wasting time and basically should have given that ultimatum from the get go. That's not "negotiating". I'm pretty sure Arum was targeting a 65-35% split from the beginning hence a counter offer of 60-40 to give some negotiating room. But I don't see why Oscar is so finicky about that extra 5% which couldn't be more that 2-3 million.

In any case, Arum's 65-35 is fair. I don't buy into the idea that Pac is not worth more than Floyd, considering he's pulling very good numbers in a relatively smaller market due to the lower weight class he campaigns at.

Pacquiao's numbers don't match Mayweather's. If it's a "smaller market" that means less money.

[Boofdatruth]

I should also apologise for sticking my nose into your argument.

You gave a good account.

[Boofdatruth]

Thats right boy, run for the hills. Its been nice taking you to school again, lol.

You are 52 damn years old acting like a kid who wants to get the last word. I'm willing to forget the lie dun.

[Phatfarm1980]

Pacquiao has a bigger following than floyd globally, but does he actually stand a chance of beating oscar? Also, does anybody want to see a blown-up flyweight fight a middleweight? I still think the fight will go ahead - unfortunatly. But, if it falls through he de la hoya had better step-up to the plate and fight margarito or even cotto. **** mora! I can't believe oscar won't budge from 70-30, hasn't he already got sack loads of cash?

[KostyaTszyu44]

**** oscar

fight someone his own size like margarito

used to like de la hoya but he shown his true colours lately

hes just a greedy ****, hes already rolling in it, and now wants another money fight? and against a smaller guy?

**** him

[mikemurni]

The 65-35 split that Arum is proposing and Team Pac would mostly accept is not really an unfair compromise. Pac is looking probably how much is he getting after paying percentages from his promoters. You must understand that Pac is being promoted by both Top Rank and Golden Boy, so that 70/30 split does not really look good as it seems because some of the money from that 30% will most likely go back to Golden Boy and to Oscar's pocket. So really it's more like a 75-25 to 80-20 split if you look at the overall picture. This cannot be the same with Floyd since his share of the revenue are all going to his team in full...

What is mostly disappointing though about this turn of events is the exposure that Pac could have gotten had he compromised and accepted the terms. It would greatly boost his stock and marketability. Because I think he has a fair chance of winning the fight. I guess this is what his lawyer failed to relay to Pac. It's amazing that this same lawyer who is advising him now in not taking the 30% share, is the same guy who advised hom to sign 2 contracts with GB and TR. He was in the steakhouse with Pac acting as his legal adviser when Oscar offered him 500t cash. I dont know maybe it means nothing or maybe Pac needs to get more competent people around him..

[JAB5239]

You also are correct in what you say in this letter which is a fair account of the situation at that time. Marquez (or Beristain) DID refuse the $750,000, which was their largest purse offer ever. However it was Nacho Beristain as his manager/trainer, who was blamed for this, and everyone was saying that whilst he was a great trainer, (because of Marquez' great recovery in the Manny P. fight) he was a lousy manager ( because he turned down $750,000). We got (and get) all sorts of reports and who really knows what's true or not.

I have no doubt it was Beristans fault. He did a lousy job handling both JMM and Rafeal's careers from this buisness end. But in the end, responsibility has to fall on JMM's shoulders because Beristan was his guy out front being allowed to call the shots for team Marquez. Boof clearly and plainly tried to make it sound as if Pacquiao was at fault for the rematch not taking place sooner, which is obviously not the case. That was my whole point from the word go. If he doesn't like a fighter he'll make lies up to slander that fighter. Just like if he doesn't like a poster he'll make up lies to slander that poster. Its just his way. Has been for the past 8 or 9 years I've posted with him.