Calzaghe fans pimp the Eubank win

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I can agree with you that prime for prime Hopkins is better than Eubank P4P. One boxer being better than another does not mean that the other cannot also be 'great'. I'm not certain that Hopkins is that much better than Eubank though, its just an opinion and I think in reality they were closer in ability than some imagine.

You are right about Joe beating Eubank not being as big as Taylor beating Hopkins, but that doesn't mean it wasn't as good. As I've stated, P4P I suspect that Joe's Eubank was better at SMW than Taylor's Hopkins was at MW, but again, its just an opinion, there's no real right and wrong. I'd say that in actuality, Joe should have got a bit more mainstream attention for that win (he did get the attention of the boxing world) and perhaps Taylor's win should have got a bit less. One huge factor is that Taylor got to Hopkins first, whereas Eubank had already met someone better than him in Collins.

Now you're talking boxing. You're still wrong (wink) but I like it when a cat starts talking boxing, not outrageous conspiracy theories.

Eubank at 168 might've been better than the Hops who fought Taylor but not the Eubank who fought Calzaghe. Both he and Collins showed serious signs of slipping in their rematch - and that's what made Calzaghe's handlers sit up. That's also what made the boxing world sit down--it wasn't hyped as a huge win because it wasn't. A good win? Sure, for a rising pug. But Eubank was a fighter on his way down already--and a fighter who never came anywhere close to achieving his potential.

So to compare him to Hops is a little nuts. Bottom line, it's a good win for Joe C. but certainly not one that garners any extra attention. And threads like this are seeking to do that.

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Your response was totally irrational, the same way American's seem to think that any match not staged in America automatically denounces it's value. It the same with American boxing related group there will always be SOME sort of bias. He's not suggesting they are overly bias but say up and comers from America will receive alot more attention and praise than say an eastern european prospect or world champ with the same amount of talent but it ultimately left in obscurity because he hasn't fought people outside of his home country.

Benn and Eubank would be considered greater if they fought out of America but they would not be "ATG'" material but simply regarded higher than they are today. It's the same with alot of Asian, British and European fighters.

Like who?

Manny PAcquiao?

Khasoxai Galaxy?

Lennox Lewis?

Jeff Fenech?

Kostya Tszyu?

Who???

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So to compare him to Hops is a little nuts. Bottom line, it's a good win for Joe C. but certainly not one that garners any extra attention. And threads like this are seeking to do that.

Huh? This thread's entire remit is to play down the win. So the thread is merely "seeking" to trash it.

Something that I do agree with.... to an extent. Like I say, grey areas.

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The HOF is in America and is governed by Americans. Legitimate world title bouts are fought outside America, but don't get the acknowledgement in many cases. Can you see the point? This is not to suggest that ALL non-US fighters are etc etc etc.





Funnily enough. Barry McGuigan. How does he get in and not The Bank.

Yeah, the Hall of Fame is biased for Americans. And you prove it by using the inclusion of Barry McGuigan - a European, Irish to be exact - as proof.

I think we're done here.

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Yeah, the Hall of Fame is biased for Americans. And you prove it by using the inclusion of Barry McGuigan - a European, Irish to be exact - as proof.

I think we're done here.

You'll note - if we can climb past your pomposity for a moment - that I said "funnily enough".

I already drew the irony of that statement out. Repeating that does not prove anything, only to make you look somewhat obtuse.

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Like who?

Manny PAcquiao?

Khasoxai Galaxy?

Lennox Lewis?

Jeff Fenech?

Kostya Tszyu?

Who???

Who the hell was Manny before he beat highly recognised Barrera/Morales even though he won a title at FW. Lewis was a Heavyweight it's the one exception to the rule, all Heavyweights get a certain level of exposure if they are good.

My point being that at certain level the American will favour there own fighter over exposure to a foreign fighter. Whether it's because there more maketable, make more money for them etc. Like Gamboa and Berto are recieving HBO dates early in ther ecareer and gamboa (who fights out of the USA after defecting from CUBA) ranked within the top 5 of a Major body because of his exposure. If a fighter fighting out of another country with a level talent close to gamboa fought he wouldn't recieve maintream exposure till the highest level.

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Like who?

Manny PAcquiao?

Khasoxai Galaxy?

Lennox Lewis?

Jeff Fenech?

Kostya Tszyu?

Who???

The Ameican Bias talk is complete nonsense.All of Wlads fights are aired over here even the ones that are outside the US.He even had a PPV with another Eastern European fighter{Sultan Imbragamov}.All you have to do is watch Kessler vs Calzaghe and see how much the American commentators kiss the asses of both fighters,who are not American.Pac get praised Margarito and Cotto get praised while Mayweather an American fighter gets ridiculed by most boxing pundits.If you want to talk about Bias look no further than Steve Bunce who called the current American Heavyweights "gutless cowards".

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Who the hell was Manny before he beat highly recognised Barrera/Morales even though he won a title at SBW. Lewis was a Heavyweight it's the one exception to the rule, all Heavyweights get a certain level of exposure if they are good.

What attention should Pacquiao have garnered prior to those bouts that he didn't get? And umm, Morales & Barrera are Mexicans who don't speak English, not quite your typical US fighter and certainly not proof of some bias? And since he did beat those guys, you'd have to say he's gotten plenty of attention has he not? So what's your point?

My point being that at certain level the American will favour there own fighter over exposure to a foreign fighter. Whether it's because there more maketable, make more money for them etc. Like Gamboa and Berto are recieving HBO dates early in ther ecareer and gamboa (who fights out of the USA after defecting from CUBA) ranked within the top 5 of a Major body because of his exposure. If a fighter fighting out of another country with a level talent close to gamboa fought he wouldn't recieve maintream exposure till the highest level.

I asked you to tell me which fighters outside the US haven't garnered the attention they deserve.

You brought up Manny Pacquiao who has LOADS of attention after taking on the perceived world's best. That's how it goes, usually.

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Now you're talking boxing. You're still wrong (wink) but I like it when a cat starts talking boxing, not outrageous conspiracy theories.

Eubank at 168 might've been better than the Hops who fought Taylor but not the Eubank who fought Calzaghe. Both he and Collins showed serious signs of slipping in their rematch - and that's what made Calzaghe's handlers sit up. That's also what made the boxing world sit down--it wasn't hyped as a huge win because it wasn't. A good win? Sure, for a rising pug. But Eubank was a fighter on his way down already--and a fighter who never came anywhere close to achieving his potential.

So to compare him to Hops is a little nuts. Bottom line, it's a good win for Joe C. but certainly not one that garners any extra attention. And threads like this are seeking to do that.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. Calzaghe fought who he needed to in order to get the belt, it might have been Collins OR Eubank, which is all he could do. I regard beating Eubank as a tremendous win for an untested prospect, the equal of most other titlists first belt wins. This is why we Calzaghe fans sometimes feel he gets a raw deal. You don't see me saying 'Mercado was ****' or 'Toney was weight drained' do you?

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Like who?

Manny PAcquiao?

Khasoxai Galaxy?

Lennox Lewis?

Jeff Fenech?

Kostya Tszyu?

Who???

Tszyu does not get the respect he deserves from a lot of Americans, Kessler is a good example right now if you compare him with say Pavlik. Of course, Americans who know what they're talking about know these guys are good, so this isn't directed at you.