Calzaghe fans pimp the Eubank win

[garryd]

i'll be damned... anorak he he hee. get dirty boy!!!
eubanks,benn!!!bearly world ranked! lackeys hee hee he!
you lower the bar of greatness when you mention 2nd tiers like them!
only in brittain!!!

For the record i loved watching Benn! he was much better to watch than some other fighters that get referd to as great on here!

[Duke McKenzie_]

You'll have to forgive me. I've been posting and writing on boxing since damn near the invention of the internet so I love chopping it up. And I loved this board because it has so many posters. Unfortunately, it's also got some of the most racist, uninformed ridiculous posters too. And more of them than any other site. So I get pissed VERY easily. I'm a man of little patience.

But after time I've kinda sorted out those who know their **** from those who don't so while we may bump heads from time to time, it's all good cuz we're boxing fans here to discuss boxing. It wouldn't be the sweet science without that.

I gotta run and enjoy my Saturday but I'll be back cuz I'm sure Benny has a solid reply in the wings and I'm curious to see what he wrote.

The point is, my firend, often you read what you want to read, and not what's really being said.

[IMDAZED]

The point is, my firend, often you read what you want to read, and not what's really being said.

Nah, not at all. I don't think you know me but let's replay our internet conversation.

1. You responded to a post made to someone else by talking about how mediocre Hopkins' run was at middle.

2. I respectfully replied to you talking boxing and nothing else.

3. You ignored said post and responded to ANOTHER post I made to someone else, mocking me for agreeing with facts?

4. Now you're telling me I read what I want to.

[Duke McKenzie_]

Nah, not at all. I don't think you know me but let's replay our internet conversation.

1. You responded to a post made to someone else by talking about how mediocre Hopkins' run was at middle.

2. I respectfully replied to you talking boxing and nothing else.

3. You ignored said post and responded to ANOTHER post I made to someone else, mocking me for agreeing with facts?

4. Now you're telling me I read what I want to.

Well, first of all, let's make it quite clear that another poster was banned during this thread and I'm uhhhhhhhh.. taking up the slack for him, shall we say?

Now, a lot of your posts to me - errr, Anorak - were based around "you're trying to say Eubank was an ATG", which he clearly WASN'T saying.

[Jambo boy]

Prime zaghe would struggle to beat prime Eubank.
On his day Eu was one of the best but he lost his hunger after the Michael Watson rematch. I think the same happened to Benn after the McLellen fight. It must play on a fighters mind when you think about it, to nearly kill a man with your bare hands just proves that no-one is invincable and the same thing could happen to you.
I don't like Eubank as a person, i've met him numerous times and he is an arse, but I will say when he was fighting I always supported him. He was simply the best, but by the time he fought Joe blow, he was just an average boxer with a big name.

[BennyST]

You can make an argument over Norris not deserving it - although he was a top 5-10 p4per for several years. But if you don't think he deserved to get in - or any other American for that matter - then how can you argue Eubank's case? Evening out one wrong with another?

I'm most certainly not arguing for Eubanks to be in the HOF. If there are fighters like Palomino, Chacon, Norris, Qawi, Saad etc etc then you could also make a good case for either Eubank or even Benn. I don't think any of them should be in the HOF.

If Benn was American, I think even more so than Eubank, he would be considered ten times the fighter he is now. If you look at his wins, and Eubanks, they compare to those above but without the losses during their primes that the aforementioned fighters have. Benn beat Barkley, McClellan DeWitt, Sims etc which while not anything great are still decent. Eubank beat Benn, Watson etc etc.... I think you get the point.

As an exciting fighter Benn would have had a lot of recognition in America and like the Chacons, Saad's, Qawi's, and no doubt Gatti, would probably have made it to the HOF on those few exciting wins as those guys did on their half decent, but very exciting records.

Norris was as much a product of excitement as was Benn. He had a shaky chin and hit hard. Did he deserve to be on the P4P list though? That's what this is all about really. What did he honestly do to be considered that good? Beat an old shot Leonard? Or was it getting knocked out by Jackson, and Brown, getting beaten by Kelly and DQ'd three times all in his prime. How does it work that Norris can get in to the HOF and be a P4P fighter but Eubank, Benn etc are so far away as to be simply laughable?

Norris was a good fighter, but, he wasn't that much better than either of those two and quite possibly not at all. He fought in a time of decent, average light middles and yet is seen as that much better? Both Eubank and Benn were two division multiple title champions with many defenses of their titles in well talented divisions. Eubank even fought for a CW title. From lightmiddle to cruiserweight with titles in two and title shots in all but LM, that is an achievement in itself.

Either way, I'm getting off track from the topic. It was a good win for a young Calzaghe. One of his best, just as anyone who beat Eubank would list him among, if not their best wins. He did, after all, lose only five times in about fifty or so fights when he was past his best with those losses being to only three good fighters in Collins, Calzaghe and Thompson. Not bad at all.

[Duke McKenzie_]

Nice post, Benny.

[BennyST]

How exactly did Pacquiao struggle to gain credibility? He was on HBO before he ever set eyes on Barrera. Again, what exactly was he supposed to get?

Lewis was known because he fought in the Tyson era? What does that mean?

Sure you get people who don't recognize what Fenech and Tszyu did but those people generally aren't boxing fans either. There are people on this board who don't recognize what Roy Jones did either, and his resume takes a dump on those two. Guess what? They're usually not American.

Galaxy is a Hall of Famer and any hardcore fan knows him. We're not having a mainstream vs. fan debate - these people are Hall of Famers (Tszyu soon, anyway).

Yes. Among those listed Pac is the only one who hasn't struggled with credibility from those outside his own country. Because he was fighting in America very early with his crazy style against very big names who also happened to be immensely exciting.

The Tyson era: Lewis beat Tyson in the pre 'Tyson as Killer' days which immediately got him world wide recognition. Nonetheless he was never seen as anything remotely as amazing or famous as Tyson. America made Tyson huge and Tyson made boxing huge. Lewis beat Tyson but never became huge. He was never fully accepted by American audiences. As a heavyweight in the aftermath of Tyson but not as an entity unto himself.

There may be some strange people on this who don't recognise what Jones did just as there are some who don't recognise Eubanks, but, all of America and the world recognises Jones' face! Now, that is something. To be a boxer and instantly recognisable to most people around the world...that's the difference of being a great American boxer to being a great *insert smaller country* boxer (no, that is not any comparison to Jones and Eubanks whatsoever).

Edit: Enjoy your Saturday.

Edit 2: Cheers Duke.