better wins Pavlik v Taylor ,Miranda or

[poeticlsykuac]

So Calzaghe has to sweat out 8lbs or bulk up 7lbs? Which is it? Calzaghe made it perfectly clear he'd move up to 175 to fight Jones. Jones was actually the one who said he wanted to come to 168.

Who cares about becoming mandatory? **** mandatories, we wanna see the best fights. Clinton Woods was Jones' mandatory but wouldnt everyone have preferred Calzaghe instead. Obviously a bigger threat and a bigger risk which Jones didnt like.

How do you figure Calzaghe was given the better cut? Hopkins was offered a huge sum of money, agreed and then ducked out. Theres no way to turn that round and blame Calzaghe.

My point is simple and concise, he could have went up but he didn't. Yeah it would have been bs for him to have to go down to fight HOP, I already said hop was a ***** for that. Cal could have fought his way in but the guy didn't, he bitched, he didn't even make himself known in the US to the casual fan. I am not huge on mandatories but situations like this could have made it possible for him. HE DIDN'T GO AFTER HIM LIKE HE COULD HAVE. He waited until Jones was 39 and was past his prime. He could have took 2 fights at light heavy and been in there in any one of the belts but he did not! I didn't say he should have to, but he is the challenger, Jones and Hop were the more recognized champions at the time. Give them a reason to fight, don't give me that ducked bs, he didn't move weight classes. Calzaghe could have tried much harder then fighting in UK for the first 8 years of his career.

He has a a grand total of 3 fights outside the UK. Unfortunately some of the better fighters lived and fought out of the US, somewhere he didn't venture to till 08. What does that really say? He didn't fight any fighters that made him unavoidable to those guys.

[Dynamite Kid]

What?

The resume of both fighters from best to worse.

1. Mikkel Kessler
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Chris Eubank
4. Jermain Taylor
5. Jeff Lacy
6. Charles Brewer
7. Byron Mitchell
8. Robin Reid
9. Richie Woodhall
10. Omar Sheika
11. Sakio Bika
12. Mario Veit
13. David Starie
14. Edison Miranda

Nowhere near Calzaghe in terms of resume.

David Starie never even held a World Title and Bronco McKart should be above ****ing Starie i cant even believe are so desperate to put Starie on their and to say he is better than Miranda LMAO

Dean Francais beat Starie up years ago before Calzagh even fought him ,BTW Gary Lockett should be above Kessler lol

[Dirk Diggler UK]

My point is simple and concise, he could have went up but he didn't. Yeah it would have been bs for him to have to go down to fight HOP, I already said hop was a ***** for that. Cal could have fought his way in but the guy didn't, he bitched, he didn't even make himself known in the US to the casual fan. I am not huge on mandatories but situations like this could have made it possible for him. HE DIDN'T GO AFTER HIM LIKE HE COULD HAVE. He waited until he was 39 and had the bigger name. He could have took 2 fights at light heavy and been in there in any one of the belts but he did not! I didn't say he should have to, but he is the challenger, Jones and Hop were the more recognized champions at the time. Give them a reason to fight, don't give me that ducked bs, he didn't move weight classes. Calzaghe could have tried much harder then fighting in UK for the first 8 years of his career.

He has a a grand total of 3 fights outside the UK. Unfortunately some of the better fighters lived and fought out of the US, somewhere he didn't venture to till 08. What does that really say? He didn't fight any fighters that made him unavoidable to those guys.

So we can discount Hopkins.

Like Ive already asked you, what did Clinton Woods (a fellow UK fighter) do to get the fight with Jones other than beat a few bums and become mandatory. Calzaghe was beating former world champs and contenders at super middleweight and was clearly the bigger risk to Jones.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

David Starie never even held a World Title and Bronco McKart should be above ****ing Starie i cant even believe are so desperate to put Starie on their and to say he is better than Miranda LMAO

Dean Francais beat Starie up years ago before Calzagh even fought him ,BTW Gary Lockett should be above Kessler lol

Neither has Miranda. I dont know about him being below Starie or Veit etc but this guy's list is closer than some who overrate Miranda way too much.

[Sir_Joe]

I repeat......

What?

The resume of both fighters from best to worse.

1. Mikkel Kessler
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Chris Eubank
4. Jermain Taylor
5. Jeff Lacy
6. Charles Brewer
7. Byron Mitchell
8. Robin Reid
9. Richie Woodhall
10. Omar Sheika
11. Sakio Bika
12. Mario Veit
13. David Starie
14. Edison Miranda

Nowhere near Calzaghe in terms of resume.

..........

[Sir_Joe]

David Starie never even held a World Title and Bronco McKart should be above ****ing Starie i cant even believe are so desperate to put Starie on their and to say he is better than Miranda LMAO

Dean Francais beat Starie up years ago before Calzagh even fought him ,BTW Gary Lockett should be above Kessler lol

Starie beat the previously undefeated Clinton Woods and lost a 115-113 decision to Sven Ottke which many people believe he won, Miranda has never won a belt either.

[Kris Silver]

My point is simple and concise, he could have went up but he didn't. Yeah it would have been bs for him to have to go down to fight HOP, I already said hop was a ***** for that. Cal could have fought his way in but the guy didn't, he bitched, he didn't even make himself known in the US to the casual fan. I am not huge on mandatories but situations like this could have made it possible for him. HE DIDN'T GO AFTER HIM LIKE HE COULD HAVE. He waited until he was 39 and had the bigger name. He could have took 2 fights at light heavy and been in there in any one of the belts but he did not! I didn't say he should have to, but he is the challenger, Jones and Hop were the more recognized champions at the time. Give them a reason to fight, don't give me that ducked bs, he didn't move weight classes. Calzaghe could have tried much harder then fighting in UK for the first 8 years of his career.

He has a a grand total of 3 fights outside the UK. Unfortunately some of the better fighters lived and fought out of the US, somewhere he didn't venture to till 08. What does that really say? He didn't fight any fighters that made him unavoidable to those guys.

Why should he go up in weight, it's not like everyone does, there's no rule or expectation for boxers to do so and it's often not done. He coulda sure, but it would have involved leaving his hard earned SMW belt, fighting 2+ fights against bums for low money at LHW, for just a potential fight with Roy Jones for also low money. Whats the point in that, he's not a ****ing seal jumping through hoops you know. Christ.

It's also not totally his responsibility to "make himself known" to the US. Christ, complain to hbo for not showing many european fights if you want, it's not a one man crusade. A lot of ppl in the US were aware of him, appreciating him, if you weren't aware then you can't just go oh, it shoulda been on my door step, if it wasn't it can't be good or worth it. That's the most casual, lazy, ignorant attitude ever. Don't then claim to know what your talking about after admitting you didn't all that time pretty much.

Also dude, your making out like Joe not chasing Roy or Hops were the crimes of the century. Firstly Joe was going to fight Hops but Hops doubled the money and backed out last min, I've already touched on Roy above. There's genuine ducks in boxing going on left right and centre, and you use your non existent knowledge to try and make out this is a serious one? Joe is 36 not 39. You've already said something ****** earlier in saying Roy offererd Joe a fight, your a complete un educated moron dude hell bent on self owning himself. It's like watching a crash.

[Dynamite Kid]

Neither has Miranda. I dont know about him being below Starie or Veit etc but this guy's list is closer than some who overrate Miranda way too much.

let me tell u something i used to watch Starie fight i aint like Ricky only seen his fight with Calzaghe and im telling u now how overated Miranda is he is better than David Starie trust me Miranda would knock Starie out


Miranda maybe overated but he is still above some of those names Ricky mentioned, Miranda has beaten Allan Green ,Howard Eastman

[Alec900]

taylor > hopkins,kessler > miranda,so 1-1

[Dirk Diggler UK]

let me tell u something i used to watch Starie fight i aint like Ricky only seen his fight with Calzaghe and im telling u now how overated Miranda is he is better than David Starie trust me Miranda would knock Starie out


Miranda maybe overated but he is still above some of those names Ricky mentioned, Miranda has beaten Allan Green ,Howard Eastman

Like I said, I dunno about rating Starie over Miranda but Miranda is very low down the list.

And Taylor is a bit overrated in my opinion. He would've been an after-thought had the judges got it right first time againt Hopkins. Or even against Wright.