better wins Pavlik v Taylor ,Miranda or

[Dynamite Kid]

Yeah course, Calzaghe did land anything. Only the highest number of punches ever recorded on Hopkins. Yes I know compubox isnt always totally accurate but it gives a fair idea.

Plust Hopkins was far more active against Taylor especially in the later rounds where he hurt Taylor pretty badly and could've stopped him. Calzaghe was never in any such trouble and Hopkins landed maybe a handful of great punches the entire fight. Not enough to win at all. He may have spoilt Calzaghe's work but he forgot to do any of his own.

compubox is complete bull and this fight proved it there is no way Calzaghe landed that many punches ,no way

Hopkins fought Taylor in 2005 and Joe in 2008 that is a lot in terms of years in Boxing from 40 to 43

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Bernard being so inactive in the second half of the Calzaghe fight is even more evidence that he was older and even further out of his prime than when he fought Taylor. Not to mention the delays BHop caused in the Calzaghe fight, just to buy time. He was not the same fighter he was even three years ago. There is no denying that Taylor fought the better version of BHop.

Hopkins was just as inactive in the early rounds against Taylor. Maybe he figured Taylor would gas up - he was right. Maybe he knew Joe wouldnt so he had to start quicker and then spoil towards the end. So really your theory can be questioned.

Taylor lost to Hopkins in most people's opinions. He didnt do enough to beat Calzaghe.

[-Swizzy-]

pavlik's wins are better. he ko'd taylor and miranda. calzaghe got 2 decisions. taylor right now is better than hopkins and kessler IMO. Even pavlik's win over miranda was more impressive than calzaghe's wins over kessler and hopkins. pavlk takes this easy.

[Dan...]

pavlik's wins are better. he ko'd taylor and miranda. calzaghe got 2 decisions. taylor right now is better than hopkins and kessler IMO. Even pavlik's win over miranda was more impressive than calzaghe's wins over kessler and hopkins. pavlk takes this easy.

Pavlik's win over Miranda is not more impressive than Calzaghe's win over Kessler on any planet. If you have watched both fights and you think this, you should no longer watch boxing.

[dstew]

Hopkins was just as inactive in the early rounds against Taylor. Maybe he figured Taylor would gas up - he was right. Maybe he knew Joe wouldnt so he had to start quicker and then spoil towards the end. So really your theory can be questioned.

Taylor lost to Hopkins in most people's opinions. He didnt do enough to beat Calzaghe.

I'll give you that Hopkins has a tendency to only be active for about half the fight; the difference in the Taylor and Calzaghe fights being which half he decided to make an effort.

And most people think Taylor didn't do enough to win the first fight, but won the second. But people are easily misled when it comes to Hopkins, considering a lot of fans had him beating Calzaghe which I can't understand either.

Who hurt Hopkins more, though - Joe or Jermain? That one's easy. And ball shots don't count.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

pavlik's wins are better. he ko'd taylor and miranda. calzaghe got 2 decisions. taylor right now is better than hopkins and kessler IMO. Even pavlik's win over miranda was more impressive than calzaghe's wins over kessler and hopkins. pavlk takes this easy.

[MANGLER]

Pavlik's wins were devastating KO's. Joe's were decisions, one decisive and one disputed.

[MWMerlino]

I think I'm starting to understand the international boxing exchange rate for records.

Kessler just beat a 22-0 Sartison, but Sartison's resume looked like a list of names you could find scrawled in a pub house bathroom. Atleast in America, when a fighter pads his resume (Chavez Jr?) we the fans call him out on it instead of celebrating and protecting him.

I'm also confused by the apparent contradiction in calling fighters "World Champions" when they have never fought out of their own country or hosted the best in the world to come challenge them...

Kessler can have a resume full of Sartisons, sprinkle in a Mundine, and a loss to Calzaghe, and all the sudden he is worth more than Jermain Taylor? I've decided that it takes a coalition of atleast 3 protected European fighters to lose to 1 other European fighter to translate into 1 American boxer.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I think I'm starting to understand the international boxing exchange rate for records.

Kessler just beat a 22-0 Sartison, but Sartison's resume looked like a list of names you could find scrawled in a pub house bathroom. Atleast in America, when a fighter pads his resume (Chavez Jr?) we the fans call him out on it instead of celebrating and protecting him.

I'm also confused by the apparent contradiction in calling fighters "World Champions" when they have never fought out of their own country or hosted the best in the world to come challenge them...

Kessler can have a resume full of Sartisons, sprinkle in a Mundine, and a loss to Calzaghe, and all the sudden he is worth more than Jermain Taylor? I've decided that it takes a coalition of atleast 3 protected European fighters to lose to 1 other European fighter to translate into 1 American boxer.

How many times has Taylor fought outside America again? Jones? Mayweather?

This may come as a sudden shock to you but America is not the World.

[MWMerlino]

How many times has Taylor fought outside America again? Jones? Mayweather?

This may come as a sudden shock to you but America is not the World.

You conveniently forgot to bold the other part of my statement about hosting fighters from other countries.

Besides that omission, none of the boxers you named sought to hold onto a paper title and ride it for all it was worth. Bernard Hopkins was the first man to ever unify the titles, then Taylor beat him. Jones cleaned out the divisions he called home and bounced around as he pleased, and like it or not, Mayweather being the highest grossing boxer of recent years, was the world to boxing and boxers and would have been regardless of where in the world he landed.