Opinions on Boxing

[DiegoFuego]

Maybe too strong a word. Like a said before "wary of" would've probably been better.

Why hasn't Floyd faced Cotto yet?

"Too much risk and not enough money?" can be defined as being wary of or somewhat scared.

No , Mr. Diego. Read it carefully. "In the early 2000's" Tyson and Holyfield wasn't in their primes anymore in the "early 2000's". Tyson and Holyfield had both slowed down a bit. If John Ruiz could do a trilogy with that Holyfield , how would Tua have done against that Holy? How would have Tua had done against the Tyson that fought Danny Williams?

In the 2000s, I still think Tua is too limited to beat Holyfield but yeah he would probably stop Tyson from 2003 on but then again like you said so did Danny Williams and Kevin Fishguts McBride

[Left Hook Tua]

I don't understand the love for Tua. He was being dominated by Rahman until the late hit, Rock wasn't given recovery time, and even THEN the fight was stopped prematurely. No way Tua wins that fight if the rules are followed.

Not to mention, Rock clearly won the rematch and got a draw.

Tua was a very good fighter, but he was never going to beat an elite heavyweight. I guess I could see him beating Mike possibly but no way he beats Holyfield.

What could possibly give you the idea that i'm biased towards or have love for Tua? :-)

Fair enough he was the beneficiary of that late hit. Rahman shouldn't have let his guard down though. In the end it was still officially a KO loss for him.

The statement wasn't that Tua could beat an elite heavyweight though. the statement was if he had better management and had stayed in shape and his prime longer that he would've picked up a few belts.

Take a look at who's had a belt the past few years. Rahman , Maskaev , Lyakhovich , Brewster , Ruiz , Byrd , etc.

Tua could've beat all of them in his prime except for maybe Byrd who was terribly difficult to hit in his prime and a bad matchup for a one-dimensional slugger.

[DiegoFuego]

What could possibly give you the idea that i'm biased towards or have love for Tua? :-)

Fair enough he was the beneficiary of that late hit. Rahman shouldn't have let his guard down though. In the end it was still officially a KO loss for him.

The statement wasn't that Tua could beat an elite heavyweight though. the statement was if he had better management and had stayed in shape and his prime longer that he would've picked up a few belts.

Take a look at who's had a belt the past few years. Rahman , Maskaev , Lyakhovich , Brewster , Ruiz , Byrd , etc.

Tua could've beat all of them in his prime except for maybe Byrd who was terribly difficult to hit in his prime and a bad matchup for a one-dimensional slugger.

Byrd DID beat Tua and so did Rahman TWICE (unofficial of course). Yes he could have beat Ruiz again probably and certainly Maskaev and Liakhovich. Brewster would have been a great fight to watch. Tua's chin would probably prevail for him in that one. But Byrd and Rahman had their belts until 2006 and I don't think Tua in 2006 was prepared to compete with either as bad of shape as he was in. That WBO title would have always been there for him to go after.

[DiegoFuego]

What could possibly give you the idea that i'm biased towards or have love for Tua? :-)

Fair enough he was the beneficiary of that late hit. Rahman shouldn't have let his guard down though. In the end it was still officially a KO loss for him.

The statement wasn't that Tua could beat an elite heavyweight though. the statement was if he had better management and had stayed in shape and his prime longer that he would've picked up a few belts.

Take a look at who's had a belt the past few years. Rahman , Maskaev , Lyakhovich , Brewster , Ruiz , Byrd , etc.

Tua could've beat all of them in his prime except for maybe Byrd who was terribly difficult to hit in his prime and a bad matchup for a one-dimensional slugger.

Very true. I would also argue that if Ali had stayed in his prime longer he would have never lost a fight.

[Left Hook Tua]

In the 2000s, I still think Tua is too limited to beat Holyfield but yeah he would probably stop Tyson from 2003 on but then again like you said so did Danny Williams and Kevin Fishguts McBride

Holy had problems gassing as he got older and hardly fought entire rounds. You know Tua (when he wasn't a big , fat tub of lard) had excellent stamina and great ko power still even in the late rounds. Problem is Holy had a hell of a chin and I don't know if Tua could have knocked even a old Holy out. He maybe could've gotten a corner or ref stoppage though and he could've possibly gotten a decision as well.

Remember , Tua sparred Holyfield to prepare Evander for the Tyson fight. Tua has often stated that being able to hang with Evander in sparring gave him a lot of confidence. From Evander's side they stated Tua was very useful in preparing Evander for fighting a shorter , aggressive slugger.

I've even heard rumors that Tua gave Evander a much harder time than Tyson did in sparring. How truthful that is I do not know and I take it with a grain of salt.

[Left Hook Tua]

Very true. I would also argue that if Ali had stayed in his prime longer he would have never lost a fight.

prime ali would've run circles around joe but we wouldn't have had the pleasure of watching the trilogy.

ali lost his prime because of political reasons.

tua lost his prime because he couldn't stay away from fried bananas.

:-( sad.

you can't blame me for thinking what could've been if his fat ass ate and trained properly!

[Left Hook Tua]

The problem is the way Tito won those guys he KOed Joppy.

Oscar should have lost to Strum but there was so much pressure to make the Oscar big.

sometimes if you dont know fighters at certain weight division you cant really judge.

example is the win of Mijares over Kawashima is better than Arce but Arce is more popular.

and another point to demonstrate my view is when Mayweather fought Gatti he wasnt the best but it took him to the top p4p list same with Hopkins Oscar took him top of p4p list. Both fighters are pretty good but sometimes you have to beat some fan fav. to become famous.

very good points. i have to admit i was a trinidad nuthugger and after seeing him starch joppy right before the hopkins fight i thought he would do the same to hopkins. that fight was a very , very sad day for me. i honestly thought tito was gonna beat hopkins , grab a few belts at 168 and challenge roy at 175. i thought only roy and oscar , who we were more than happy to jump away from , was the only ones that could beat tito. i was delusional. ha ha ha

sometimes being a fan favorite is very beneficial to how someone is ranked.

[Left Hook Tua]

I rate Tarver as very good, and I would put him slightly above Johnson as a fighter. The problem with Tarver is that he feels he is somehow entitled to certain things since he beat RJJ. He needs to just shut his mouth and fight.

You're definitely right about Johnson though, that guy can't win a close decision. I had scored it for Glencoffe in his fight with Dawson.

problem with tarver isn't his mouth. "got any excuses tonight , roy?" was a classic. even for a roy fanboy i had to admit it was pretty damn funny.

most of his fights are boring and too tactical for me to be honest.

maybe that's why i rate glen a bit higher. glen has had some pretty good , exciting fights. not that tarver hasn't had his moments.

[eazy_mas]

very good points. i have to admit i was a trinidad nuthugger and after seeing him starch joppy right before the hopkins fight i thought he would do the same to hopkins. that fight was a very , very sad day for me. i honestly thought tito was gonna beat hopkins , grab a few belts at 168 and challenge roy at 175. i thought only roy and oscar , who we were more than happy to jump away from , was the only ones that could beat tito. i was delusional. ha ha ha

sometimes being a fan favorite is very beneficial to how someone is ranked.

and beating them alway going to make give you alot of $$$

It is not that Tito is bad but it is more of Hopkins is good and careful.

That is way after having a belt the next step is to call one of these fan fav.

Here is a cycle of boxers in general

prospect, hunger as ever -> contender, stil hunger for a belt-> champion, call out fan fav-> elite, start to build his legacy-> fan fav or legend-> already build his legacy just taking the safe fight out there e****ally if someone is undeafted.

usally fighters go in there career with there goals. example Mayweather goal is to become 5 division champion. with the help of WBC he made it quick but if he was a normal fight how many eliminator has he have to fight. Even as good as Mayweather is he wont have a title shot less than a year. It more of playing boxing politics and abit of publicity will reach you there rather than just skills.

He is another theory on boxing record. Boxing is like a *****. and undeafted is like a ****** where there people waiting to opening it. If there is too many guys popping it then it wont be good. But sometimes for some people just popping it once then you may have long way to be good.
bad joke

[eazy_mas]

The problem with boxing is that there is too much pressure in lossing.

sometime one night will create you legacy or will destroy it whole.

example Chico getting knockdown 5 time against Mayweather or Roberto Duran quitting.

You need alot of wins to regain back what you lost.

That is why people hold to there undeafted record. Because if they dont they it will be hard for them to get good fights in the future